I give all progidies of my dynanasty (both male and female) exepnsive education, as well gifted male characters (sorry girls, if you were a progidy I am willing to take the the legitimacy hit, but due to your lack of balls being gifted is just not enough). And also I pay for expensive education for male primogeniture line, even if they are idiots. Can I make somehow that those kids stay balance, so I have the prompt and know that I need to give them expensive education?

Hi @8bitwizard, I’ve gotten that report before yeah, I’m going to look into if there’s a new-birth trigger or something I can hook into to prevent that from popping up. I might also be able to lighten the logic by running it less often if so, can take a look this week.

Hi @Tommi - sorry, had lots of issues with expensive education ballooning folks costs too much that I decided to never automate it. That said, if you pay for expensive education for a child, I don’t swap them off of that.

I might be able to add some configuration over time, but I do like the idea of this allowing the system to fully disappear into the background in most cases

@LDiCesare the rationale is Admin stat for rulers has been meta due to proximity, and other quick hacks to select heir of heir hadn’t been working yet. I could include heirs kids in the filter or not balance them at all, but had feedback otherwise. There isn’t a one-size fits all solution for heir of heir other than full exclusion or just picking the meta option that I’ve found so far.

I’ve been in finals but I can take a look at compatibility with 1.0.9 this week — first report I’ve gotten on that, thanks. I’ll look at the heir of heir logic again and see if there’s a better option.

This doesn't seem to work in 1.0.9:
Error: "Unknown trigger type: check_variable, near line: 106" in file: "common/scripted_effects/child_education_effects.txt" near line: 106

Furthermore, it would be great if children of heir weren't excluded. As it is, the heir rule is next to useless to me as heirs tend to be adults all the time.
For instance something like:
is_heir = yes
OR = {
exists = father
father = {
is_ruler = yes
}
}
OR = {
exists = mother
mother = {
is_ruler = yes
}
}

What's the rationale for child of heir becoming admin anyway?

does it change checksum

Would be nice to have this mod be configurable. I'm currently running a hindu campaign, with an inherticance where the best son becomes crown prince. Would be nice to set it so all sons that are no idiots get expansive education.

This mod is an absolute godsend. For the better part of a century I was marrying into every daimyo I could, my dynasty had over 150 members. Stopping to set education for everyone was becoming a chore.

The only issue I've had is sometimes when the Better Education alert tab pops up top of screen, mousing over it will cause a huge lag spike that has sometimes crashed my game. The script kicks in next month anyway and the tab goes away, but I thought I'd let you know. Could just be because of my absurdly large dynasty.

Is this ironman compatible?

Yea @Lake I’ve played two campaigns on the beta so far without noticing anything amiss, I will update the logic to explicitly match the beta values (working despite that rn) when it’s live

I presume by the lack of commentary on 1.0.8 open beta (currently hotfix 5) that this is working for anyone who has tried it.

Hi @sanctuary, I dont supress the Vanilla popup that does so (but I think its only for people associated w/ Ruler?) however genius and prodigy children should end up excelling almost no matter what - I see expensive more as a catch-up for when your heir sucks

Is there any way you can add some kind of event to notify you when a child gets Genius or Prodigy, so that expensive education can be assigned as necessary for those?

AWESOME BRO

thanks

on first glance it seems to be working on 1.0.8 but I'm not sure why.. I explictly use the values they nerfed lol but I guess the nerf wasn't big enough to mess up my math.

I'll play with the beta today and update if I see any bad behavior

@ewobmrk - probably! I'll test today

is this works on 1.8

If you want something other than Admin for the heir when he's still the grandkid, sorry. I'm open to other behaviors or a fork of the mod for other options if I get enough feedback. The alternative behavior of excluding: all crown estate, or all heir kids, sounded like too much clicking to me and I can't cleanly target only heirs eldest son (if you can lmk, or hit the github repo pls )

okay, in line with our poll we now:
1. Exclude the heir from the automation
2. As a just in case for when your ruler lives long, we give the heirs kids admin education which is a strong Ruler meta at the moment.
3. Once they stop being heirs kids (ie, when dad takes the throne) they go to the normal rules, including the new rule #1 here, so you're able to configure the new heir.

Because of how rule 2 plays out temporally, it's possible to just pick your first kids education and then end up with Admin heirs all game in a stable succession if you don't go to the Heir and change it, because the notification wont show up as he was assigned admin by rule 2 if he was born before grandpa died.

This felt like a good mix between silent & loud behavior, but note: if you want something other than Admin for your heir, remember to update the heirs education on Ruler change.

@ゆの this mod is set up to be automatic/no GUI. This helps with compatibility, as I touch fewer files. I'm not keen on making it more complex than a set of sane default behaviors

That said, there is this alternative from Saltfish that I believe has some GUI stuff and options, but I'm not sure on it's state of development but it might be up your alley https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3601094941&searchtext=auto+education

Also though, I am going to try to update this to exclude the heir I think if that's why you want that feature

@Gliese I tend to agree with you in the case of Heirs/Rulers, the mod is mostly optimized for producing good Cabinets (as such, pairs extremely well with the nobles automarry mod)

I'm seeing other feedback for exclude heir and I think I'll give that a shot, so we can assign Admin or expensive/etc to the heir if we want but let the mod educate all estate kids up for good advisors.

I cant reproduce that crash @BattlexTiger, can you post in the bug reports? Do you have other mods on?

For your poll, I would prefer to just exclude heirs altogether and let us pick... or rather, anyone directly descended from the current ruler, if you can make that distinction. If it were just heirs, it would get a bit tricky as my rulers seem to all live to 80+, my great grandson is currently having children of his own but isn't counted in the line of succession, so it would kind of defeat the purpose of excluding heirs if they aren't considered heirs until they are already an adult.

Crashes to desktop when a child has a prodigy perk

needs an option for auto education to select a specific education for each child

Exclude heirs.

My vote is exclude heirs

I like the idea of this mod but disagree that spreading education is the best option. In my opinion Admin is a superior stat almost always so that's what I set everyone to. Certainly for rulers it's by far the best.

I'd say exclude heirs. They're the one kid I actually want to pick an education for.

Hi BapHomEt -- I'm not sure, I think any mods that go beyond UI are too much, but I dont know 100% which files and folders EU5 checks for checksums.

Since we definitely need the two files we do modify, and this modifies the checksum at the moment, this mod wont be achievement compatible for the forseeable future.

is it possible to get an achievement?

Poll of sorts: should we have something like all Heirs get admin trained? It is the meta atm due to prox. Or I could exclude heirs from the system so that we can pick for only those? LMK!

I have added it to the description but I'll say it here too:

Please unsubscribe and resub to refresh your local mod version if your mod version is not 1.12 or is still doing expensive education! Steam is bad at handing out the update, expensive education has been fixed since the 18th.

@Sakura it doesnt have any code to do so and isn't for me on all latest - can you check your mod version num? If not 1.12+, unsub and resub

Thx GOD!!

Finally

Can confirm, it still hands out expensive education like crazy for absolutely no reason.

god like

MY HERO

Hi Borklund - do you mean a different education? Diplo sounds right for Gregarious

My Gregarious (diplo ability increase) heir keeps getting assigned the diplo education. Love the idea of the mod, if you can make it work flawlessly.

I can check OXXXX, but no promises - I’m not sure how I would implement that other than just leaving the heir alone entirely so would have to consider that vs how others are using the script.

Qtyan, the mod won’t assign it at all now - can you confirm your version number?

Could you add the option to opt out on a case by case basis? For me Admin is really important for the Heir but military not really and not being able to change just that one kid makes the mod for me not something I can use.

tried again, in 2-3 months I have again 450% court expenses -_-

I think they're quite good, because the goal isnt to have perfectly even cabinet members, the goal is to create specialists so you can have all gold/purple tier cabinets.

You get ~79 ticks of education on average as there is a 55% chance for the kid to learn each month, and the specialist educations are slightly better than advertised (they end up at .75 PLUS a .25 base).

Intelligent w/ Administrative Education
adm growth per tick: 0.5 (trait) + .25 base + .75 (education) = 1.5 per tick
Over ~79 avg ticks: 1.5 × 79 = 118.5 ie 100

Intelligent w/ Balanced Education
adm growth per tick: 0.5 (trait) + 0.5 base (education) = 1.0 per tick
Over ~79 avg ticks: 79

So, unless you're very lucky in how much a kid ends up learning, even with the best trait towards a stat you wont get purple or even gold tier on balanced education for anyone.

Further, adm is most important for rulers and mil is by far most important on cabinet (integrate, stability, strengthen gov, etc).

I feel like none of the specialized educations are any good though. You get a -0.25 overall from each of them compared to balanced education. Any chance you could rebalance them to be less ♥♥♥♥♥♥? Something like 033/0.75/0.33 or 0.25/1/0.25 instead of 0.25/0.75/0.25?

Nvm, having enough issues with expensive that I stripped it out.

1.12 @ 7pm PST: removed expensive education entirely, we just assign best free education.

Hi BiosTheo does it say what version number you have? It should be only Heir and was testing that way for me, but I can take it out entirely if that’s inconsistent?