an other dead mod

Will you update this with the newest patch ?

I was wrong about how Stye,Mom's Ring,and Glass Eye's quality numbers were adjusted. Cuz now I think the game's recent patch did that.

I think rock bottom Will be tier 4 item

Alright, just pushed out an update. Will try to get another one out on Tuesday to clean it up a little more

@cadetpirx @PashaVerti Are there any items that have been updated in 1.7.9 or beyond where their *vanilla* item quality feels inaccurate (for instance, does Cain's Other Eye feel like a quality 2 item now or should it be lower)?

Hey, he's not the only one! I too wanna see this mod be updated :))

@cadetpirx Just have been burnt out on Isaac for a while now, and thus haven't really been all that passionate about the idea of updating the mod as life gradually adds new things to the to-do list. Plus one of the original purposes of the mod, its ability to essentially re-roll the entirety of Tainted Cain's crafting recipes in a time where they were all fixed and solved, has essentially been made obsolete, so I wondered what the point would even be of updating it.

Seems that there's at least one person who clearly cares enough to see it get updated, though, so I'll try and get to it over the weekend.

Hey Tarluk,is something going on recently? I mean,you haven't put in a comment for this mod for a very long time.

No wait,no item pool or quality changes in v1.7.9b

Heads up that Repentance has updated to 1.7.9b in case you didn't hear. They've adjusted some items' qualities and pools yet again.

Another heads up that Repentance has been updated to Update 1.7.9a,some of items' qualities have been changed again,so can you double-check if you want to update this mod?

Just a heads up that Update 1.7.9 of Repentance is out. So you can look at the what happened to the items today,and figure out how to update this mod, Okay?

@Sycrith yeah, basic XML edits like what this mod does shouldn't be having any effect on chest spawns. must be some other kind of mod maybe

my mistake. this has no effect on chest spawns. it must have been that particular run (or maybe an update I'm not aware of).

weird question, does this affect chests spawning in Dark Room/The Chest? I noticed no chests were spawning when I installed this.

Can you please put the magic mushroom in boss room?

damocles being in curse room is questionable

it is

Is it updated to the 1.7.8a?

@Uber if you have Discord, send a friend request to Tarluk#9960.

Oh also, I was wondering if there was an alternate way of communication cause there's a lot of suggestions I have, and I don't want to clutter up your comment section here

Thanks for your response, I hope you are enjoying yourself

Sounds good, will do

@Uber Not right this instant, since I'm on vacation and it's been quite a long while (half a year) since I last played Isaac; I mainly pushed the last update out in a couple minutes because I didn't want this mod to just be completely out of date before I got back to what else I was doing.

Remind me next Monday or Tuesday once I'm back from vacation and I'll try and look through the qualities and such again. If you have any suggestions in particular, let me know.

i saw you had plans for quality re-evaluation in the change notes, is that still happening?

is this mod still being maintained?

Apologies for not working on this sooner; I'm gonna push out a quick update in just a bit to include all of the new items and item pools.

To ask a quick question, though, what do you all think of the Ultra Secret Room pool in the new update for Repentance? I get what they're going for, all red items, but there's definitely a lot of items in there that just seem quite lame like Anemic or Angry Fly or what have you.

From the patch notes -
- Rebalanced the quality value of several items
- Ultra Secret Rooms now have an item pool unique to them instead of using the Angel room pool
- Replaced the Mitre with Hallowed Ground in the Greed mode Angel room pool
- Updated the Greed mode Secret Room and Curse Room pools to have actual items instead of only Cube of Meat
- Tammy's Head can now be found in the treasure room pool

There might be more, that's just what a quick ctrl+f caught.

@ElOhTeeBee Yeah, I might have to add the 3 new items into their respective pools. Do you know if they made any changes to the current items' item pools in the patch?

May or may not need an update, now that there's a new patch.

kinda sad little horn no more in curse rooms lol

more mods like that pls <3

Ohh I was only looking for a mod that adds damocles to secret room and curse room item pools but can't find anything like that rip

@Standing Cirno Fumo what was the issue and how did you fix it?

was able to get it to work, disregard the past comment

this mod seems to be very unreliable to work for me

I just can't get any changes to actually apply, even when all mods related to item pool editing are turned off

@Tarluk Pound of Flesh is in theme with the Devil and his deals, in the sense that it switches or equalizes health (flesh) and its equivalent monetary value. That said, I never take this item and quite frankly don't really like it, so you could say it is in theme with all of these pools - as these pools all have items never worth taking

Wanna ask y'all what you think of A Pound of Flesh rn, because I'm split on what to do with it. Should it be readded into the Devil Room pool in addition to being in the Curse Room and Demon Beggar pools, or should it remain removed from the Devil Room pool?

I don't personally like it being in the Devil Pool as much, since I'm not as fond of it being there mechanically. It's an item with both a prevalent upside but also a prevalent downside, but the upside is also more utility-based and much more situationally good rather than the instant benefit that the Devil pool typically has. To me, that fits significantly more with what the Curse Room's doing rather than the Devil Room.

But on the other hand, I've talked with a few people that both feel fairly strongly about A Pound of Flesh being introduced back into the Devil Room in addition to the Curse and Demon Beggar pools, and if enough other people want it, I can add it back into the Devil pool anyway.

brittle bones always gives 6 empty bone hearts

Oh, ok. Thank you :) I never modded anything and just guessed it would be like that.

@Kevin That's not something you can do through the itempools.xml at all. That would have to be something done through lua. And I can't do lua for ♥♥♥♥.

Hardcoded item drops in general like Little CHAD from the CHAD boss, the Cube of Meat/Ball of Bandages from Harbingers, Blood Bag from Blood Donation Machines, and A Dollar from Slot Machines are also untouched by the mod because there is no way to touch them through XMLs to begin with.

Hey, on Antibirth, the rock bottom was found on tinted rocks, IIRC. Could you make that too? You said we cant use other mods that changes the itempools.

Fairly sure that the empty bone hearts just replace your red heart containers, correct? Cause that wouldn't actually give you more health compared to Abaddon.

i would actually take brittle bones over abaddon. early in the run, brittle bones will give more health and a much higher dps up, at 70% compared to 30% if you lose 5 bone hearts, and will have a bunch of damage through the bone explosions to use. later in the run, abbadon's damage will be weaker and its speed might be useless, while brittle bones can increase beyond the cap.
as for losing bone hearts, the bone hears spawn on top of your soul hearts, so you can sacrifice them then and there.

@Tripple Flex I'm under the theory that the quality levels were made before the actual item rebalances. In AB+, Monster Manual WOULD be a quality 0 item, D Infinity actually would've been a quality 1 item, Glowing Hourglass would've been quality 1 due to its dumb 5-charge limit, etc.

There's still a few items that wouldn't have their qualities make sense even with that explanation, such as Book of Revelations only being in quality 3 and The Wiz being anywhere above quality 0, but it explains most of the otherwise questionable quality levels.

Wait, Monster Manual was quality 0? It's such a good item

And yes, this affects Tainted Cain. I stated that in the description.

@RedRhetoric Because Brittle Bones is only really about as good as other quality 2 items. For one, would you ever actually take Brittle Bones over something like Monstro's Lung or Abaddon? And for two, a lot of the tine depending on your health you'll either get nothing from it unless you tank all your soul hearts (which generally isnt a good idea) or you can get screwed over by the empty bone hearts.

Wooden Nickel will normally get you about 7-8 coins per floor. That's not worth as much as "an item per floor", that's barely worth a grab bag or consumable per floor. It's good for Keeper for obvious reasons, but it's really subpar for other characters. Not as bad as items like The Poop or Lemon Mishap, but still nowhere near good.

Very nice take

-the mind shouldn't be t4.
map view provides diminishing returns after you get one, as you can divine almost all the info you need from one of them with just some game knowledge.
-wooden nickel should be bumped to tier 2. it can provide 1 item every 2-3 floors, and that makes it better than a decent amount of quality 1 items.