WHAT????

build 42 when?

no options in sandbox settings?

speed demon being a negative trait is crazy lmao why tf would you pick sunday driver at that point

"fair" traits cost

@star fair is better than balanced, the zombies get a fair advantage with the amount of buffs the devs give to them(such as the fence lunge) and so should the player

Speed demon should disable cruise control, would make it so it's not just free points and you have to drive carefully

I really like the goals of this mod. Thanks for making it!

Except for the Fitness and Strenght. Before you can level those up, you are already dead.

I agree that this mod need to be balanced. Main idea was FAIR cost, not balanced. May be later I'll add more options.

And it's not really "my opinion" they can be removed in 1 week unlike permanent traits that last your whole game

It's not really balanced, most of the meta negative traits that can be easily removed and aren't permanent now give more points, traits that can be removed should give less points than before, not more

Pretty sure speed demon should be 0 or +1 trait points. It can kill you but also save you, it's like a trade with the devil, that's why the price is just -1 point.

speed demon functions as free points in a lot of situations, especially if you're in a group. i think the amount of points it gives is waaaaay too much, it shouldn't be more than 4.

I think "adrenaline junky" boosts your walking speed.. but don't quote me on that

@star Can we adjust the point cost and reupload the mod? currently no way to adjust on servers...

You can't adjust the trait cost on servers, and the base trait cost is weirdly offset by one extra point universally without Mod Options. Could the necessity to use mod options be removed? Cause as it stands you're required to install the mod for it to function properly, which doesn't work for servers.

Мод на опции точно работать не будет. Он только для B41.

На B40 будет работать?

@OG_OsManCo 4 Jul @ 4:54am
seems almost pointless,, unless i just dont get the purpose, the same opposite traits should cost the same except ones plus one minus. like fast driver -8 but if you pick slow driver you get +8

Well unfortunately both Fast Driver and Slow Driver are negative traits so it would make more sense to have both at -8 :)

Honestly, they should replace the points system with something else in PZ since a lot of traits and hobbies have an unfair cost. Occupations also have an unfair cost, with more than half of them being useless to boot. Utility skills rely heavily on combining books and TV skillgains to metagame and exploit the system to get to a decent level without deconstructing whole buildings worth of furniture.

Mod is good for a streamer since they can get a functional character without gimping with Overweight/Very Underweight+Weak+Unfit to get any sort of build going.

I agree - Hemophobic should cost more, since it means you are stuck with Depressed and Stressed moodlets for your playthrough, with just short spans of being a functional person when you're at your base or outpost, unless you're into extreme pacifist no-kill playthroughs.

Yes, it's very simple mod in general.
So it may be easily changed directly or tweaked by another mod.

It's really easy to adjust this mod. Just go to the steam folder that corresponds to this mod's workshop ID and open the info file in a text editor. These are my big changes:
Hemophobic -> -12 (the worst trait I've ever dared use in a playthrough... sooo annoying)
Smoker -> +3 (so easy to deal with)
Strong/Stout -> +8/+10 (most powerful early game traits)
Burglar -> -6 (tax for impatient people)

Don't take my word for it, make your own edits :)

seems almost pointless,, unless i just dont get the purpose, the same opposite traits should cost the same except ones plus one minus. like fast driver -8 but if you pick slow driver you get +8

can we tweak the point amount in the mod files?

This mod is extremely overpowered, puts all of the best traits at -1 point cost. That being said, the negative perk costs are pretty fair.

Yeah, I'm using the beta version. It's also at +0. I tried disabling my mods and looking at it on 41 and 41 IWBMS. Either way I get tons of +1 positive for most of the good traits. I think the only ones in a decent place were the ones edited by the mod.

Be sure that you use build 41 (i.e. beta version of the game).
If you have Mod Options, check if all options are "+0".
Also it may be that another mod affects numbers.

I think mine is broken. It doesn't match the screen shots, I'm chalking it up to mod conflicts.

Default is no tuning, i.e. +0 or +0% to Nativel's numbers.

What's the default setting for the trait cost if using Mod Options?

В смысле другие цифры? Какие например?
То, что мод в целом упрощает, я не спорю, для этого есть усложняющие настройки мода. Кстати, сами цифры от Nativel (с обоснованиями как раз). Но если цифры отличаются от заявленных, то это уже ошибка самого мода.

Кстати, когда выйдет мультиплеер на 41 билде, то возможно обновлю многие свои моды. Но не факт. По настроению.

Печально,что на картинках и таблице на странице мода цифры одни,а в игре другие
Видимо придётся искать и ставить какой-то ненужный для остального и лишний мод ради ручной установки значений указанных на картинке,а то по умолчанию какой-то изи режим стоит с дешёвыми перками

могу, но мне лень. Просто я считаю что некоторые перки должны стоить не столько сколько ты указал. Мнение, только и всего)

류,
Братан, а ты можешь привести свою таблицу с обоснованиями, сколько что должно стоить и почему?

Братан, называешь мод так, но не все перки на деле "Верно" стОят.

@Norinia Dont like the both traits affecting car speed - both i think should be in negative traits. also if you took sunday driver forget about police handbrake turn.

@Prestodeath201 Ikr? Sometimes I intentionally take Sunday Driver just so I'm not crashing into corners (I may ultra suck at driving, but to be fair, I still don't have my own license in real life so lol)

I can see how it easily tricks starting players though. they think they need to get away as quickly as possible, but once you remember, shambling (except when they dash at you) corpses, compared to your 40+ mph car? lol They don't even stand a chance at 20.

This is a good mod for vanilla difficulty sets and MP. Sandbox can obviously set however many extra points needed for balance.

@The Fancy Cat
Speed Demon is a shit perk, seriously think about it for a few minutes.

You might vote here:
https://forms.gle/Ap5wTufGUwQXf9KG7
Later I'll add an option to change presets of "fairness" in mod options.

You could also turn on cruise control? It seems like so many points for such a good trait too

@The Fancy Cat
Because Speed Demon is a very bad perk. Your cars will be very loud and attract too many zombies.

Why is speed demon 9 extra points? How is that balanced in any way?

Man, I like what you did with this. I tried to create my character to be as close a reflection of myself as possible, and found some things unreasonable enough to sandbox myself an extra 8 points just to get what I felt to be the right balance of +s and -s. With your mod, I don't need any of those extra points, and still end up +1 with the same load-out. :)

@Matrioshka я вот тоже говорю, там много чего за жирно отдают) НО! я не лезу, так как ту не написано в какую сторону баланс)
Если бы в усложнение было - ябы полный свой список предложил)

@star а вот за настроечки респект) Еще бы возможность сохранять "пресеты" этих настроек) И можно былобы вообще делиться своими балансировками тогда :)

Спасибо за отзывы. Можно даже голосование замутить)

Не совсем чуть-чуть. Во всяком случае, в 41 билде получаешь много стресса от крови на теле (и на одежде, вроде).

В любом случае, добавил настройки к моду, так что можно подкрутить в сторону усложнения все перки сразу.

Хз-хз, гемофоб +8 - слишком жирно, как по мне. Совершенно безвредный перк. Ну да, типа, чуть-чуть паники будет у тебя, ну и фиг с ней. Демон скорости +8 - вообще читерство же. Перк полезный, а не вдавливать газ в пол - не так уж и трудно.

и скрин добавь с отличиями, яж тебе кинул в дискорд)