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How to make a decent dodge build
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I've been playing alot of time since dodge became useful, but most of selfish players with dodge build don't give a fuq about supplies but damn FAKs (First aid kits). You can dodge with saw, ARs, SGs and most weaps or supplies.
   
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Conception of dodge
Main thing about dodge you must understand, that it's a chance of evade damage completly, no guarantees here.

So u can have like 50% standing still, 65% crouched or 75% sprinting which in math means you can have like 1/2 2/3 or 3/4 bullets evade, but for your information its RNG & you can dodge a 100 bullets at time or they might shot you with like 5 bullets in row.

Basicly, your suit alowing you to dodge a bit like 10% or so... kinda low chance isn't it?
So more armor you have - the less agile you are and the best chances you have with two-piece suit, but still there is an option.
Terms
  • 2PC or TPC - Two-piece suit
  • LBV - Lightwieght ballistic vest
  • Weap - weapons, arms
  • Conc - concealment
  • FAK - first aid kit
  • TTK - Time to kill
  • RNG - random numbers generator
Perk decks for dodge
Okey, lets begin with perk decks, because that's how we doing it.
First things first.

Rogue deck lvl 7 adding you 30% of chance with your 2PS (two-piece suit) up to 40%.

But we have another option, which isn't that good, but still possible (and it's all about possibilities).

So-called Crook. Oh, please. Well, that stuff at lvl 7 adding you like 25% of dodge for Light ballistic vest (it's +45% & -20% because of penalty), so you will have some armor from now on. But u need pretty well calculated build for it & that's the matter of lvl & infamy. One more thing, i don't really think you can use it on DW, but you surely can test it.

DLC option: Burglar.
Thanks to Clover you have this option.
Well, you aren't a hobbit for sure, so don't even bother. That thing mostly for sneaky bastaz (stealth infantry guys) and it will add you only 20% of dodge chance, so don't even try to use it with your LBV or heavier armor.
Armor, concealment, skills & weapons
So this combination of things can improve your dodge or... ruin it to hell.
Main tricks are skill point management & weapon concealment, because for greater dodge you need a 2PS (Two-piece suit).

Balancing Weap Conc & Skill Points is vital. With bigger concealment your need more SP to spend, but your borders are 5 (less SP) or 25 conc points (add 8 skill points for ace). If you going for real weapons like LMGs & heavy sniper rifles etc... your concealment hit 35+ & you won't gain more than 55% crouched & 60% sprinting.
Armor for dodge
Well there are 2 options:
Two-piece suit for Rogue deck & Light ballistic vest with Crook deck.
Concealment & figures
Okey, here we go for figures.

Conc 35+ - dodge chance 40% (55% crouch or 65% sprinting) with 2PS, but you can carry any weaps you like.
Conc 25-35 with Sneaky bastad MAXED from 50 to 40%.One less percent for one extra conc point.
Conc 5-35 with Sneaky bastad owned from 50 to 40%. One less percent for 3 extra conc points.

Crouch effect +15% of dodge chance thanks to Duck & cover skill (aced).
Sprinting +25% of dodge chance thanks to Sprinter skill (aced).

With LBV & Crook perk deck you starting with 25% of dodge instead of 40%.
Skills & weapons affecting the same way as for 2PS/Rogue deck combo.
Weapons
Best lower conc number for weap you can allow is 14. With 1 weap at 14 you need a secondary with 30 & melee with 30. One extra point of weap concealment adding you 3 points of overall concealment. But thats not that bad, you can add Hidden blade skill from Fugitive skill tree for 2 extra melee weapon concealment points & boost your main gun or secondary... whatever.

Okey, so here is a small list of good weaps with very low (25 & less) & decent (from 14 to 25) concealment.

Sniper rifles:
Nagant SR - best weap conc 14 with 23 overall (22 with hidden blade). Its not that accurate & there is no scope, but you can kill dozers & shields just like before.
Rattlesnake SR - best weap conc 10... overall 35 (or 29 with Hidden blade the only way) concealment. Not the best choise for sure, in that case you can bring all good weaps you have like thanatos etc...

Light machine guns:
Nothing here...

SAW:
Saw

Grenade launcher:
Yes

Akimbo:
Sure

Shotguns:
Mosconi 12G
Raven

Assault rifles:
CAR-4 easy to customize for anything.
Clarion. Pretty good one aswell, better ROF & lesser time for killing dozers, but its DLC weapon.
Commando 553. Another piece of art.

Some other rifles could be useful if you like 'em...

Secondaries were made for concealed carrying, no reason to mind 'em.

Skills
Okey, here is the main part of all, mind the rest are important aswell.

Fugitive:
Sneaky bastad
For owners - mind your proper guns (conc less than 5).
Aces can feel themselves more freely with weaps, also you might grab saw with you or even heavier stuff like Nagant.

Duck & cover - good one in the tight spots, also you can help your teammates under fire in the middle of the street surrounded by gang of FBI finest.

Run & Gun - its always fun & they can't hit target which dissapears around the corner. Ace still optional.

Daredevil ace - optional crap, how much time you zip-lining over the FBI army?

Ghost:
Sprinter ACE - thats what you need, just read discription.

Shinoby basic - optional, its good to move faster when you crouch.

Mastermind:
Endurance - optional. Its good to have a great stamina.
Figures with calc
You can always try something here[pd2skills.com] & even check the results with your build.
Examples & explanations
All builds here for non-infamy persons lvl 100. More infamy - easier builds, more useful skills.
You always can improve them for different tasks & situations, thats only examples for lvl 100.

Mastermind with medbags & great handgun boost:
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mSOLhIJFGCDa:eda:gCda:frNKIEGBCda:pR8::
Main things are here:
  • You can complete DW loud for sure, just don't stand still. Crouch or sprint are vital part!
  • Semi-auto pistol with large clip.
  • Inspired ace - you can help your n00bish teammate from distance.
  • Medbags - reseting custody counter (First aid kits only restoring current HP lvl)
  • Transporter basic - you can carry stuff, but baggin it is your weak spot.
  • Keep concealment less than 5 for best results.
  • You can kill people during the stealth missions.
  • You can jump from non-fatal heights.
  • Swan song - its vital to leave the battlefield & lay down somewhere safe. Also you can help your downed friends even half way down.

Dodging enforcer with ammo, saw & shotgun boost:
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/eqOpkLHIjeFgDa:gCda:fROKIEGBCda:pR8::
Main things are here:
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  • You have SAW now. Other don't. Sure, it's your primay & non-upgraded, but still you have ammobags for it & keep that loco shotty with lower concealment close to you.
  • You can complete DW loud for sure, just don't stand still. Crouch or sprint are vital part!
  • Shotguns are you best friends. Kill somebody & enjoy 75% boost to your shotgun damage.
  • Ammo! Unlimited ammo! You can collect 175% of ammo from the floor, also 2 aced ammobags will help your team alot.
  • You have Counter-strike. With combination of good melee, like a Kruger knife or money bundle you can counter-attack damn cloakers! Show them who's boss! Also may swap it for Low blow skill.
  • Transporter ace - you can carry & throw stuff, but bagging it is your weap spot.
  • Keep concealment less than 25 for best results.
  • You can kill people during the stealth missions.
  • You can jump from non-fatal heights.
  • Swan song - its vital to leave the battlefield & lay down somewhere safe. Also you can help your downed friends even half way down.

Dodging Tech with C4/Sentries/Drills & rifle boost:
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mda:eda:tQOkLhiJEfGbCa:gECda:froKHEGBCDa:pR8::
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  • You can complete DW loud for sure, just don't stand still. Crouch or sprint are vital part!
  • You have a critical chance, so try to use auto-weapons with large clips like ARs & SMGs.
  • C4s, Sentries, Drills - sure your drills are loud & Sentries a bit limited, but thats not the point. The point is - you have them & others don't.
  • Transporter & fasthands combo - you can collect & move staff fast as jetplane, just don't try to throw it, okey? =)
  • Keep concealment less than 5 for best results.
  • You can kill people during the stealth missions.
  • You can jump from non-fatal heights.
  • Swan song - its vital to leave the battlefield & lay down somewhere safe. Also you can help your downed friends even half way down.

LBV with Crook deck for armor-dodge combo tech:
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mda:eIjEfDa:tSOpliJEGBCda:ggCda:froKEGBCDa:ibcdea:pr0O8::
  • Okey, its V-100 Dodge-armor build with Loud but effective drill & C4 charges.
  • Effective overall concealment 5 & less.
  • Stats here dodge 25 on the point, 50% sprinting, 40% crouching, armor 75 points, steadiness 21.
  • Nice resist to Flash bangs.
  • Great boost for AR.
  • Might trade Low blow to Counter-strike to confront cloakers.

Earlier dodge build with decent opportunities:
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mda:eda:gCda:frokMiJEGbCda:pR8::l46
So on lvl 46 you can have it, dunno how bad your perk deck will be, but this might work somehow. Also with Infamy lvl 1 this will work for sure.
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  • You can complete DW loud for sure, just don't stand still. Crouch or sprint are vital part!
  • You have a critical chance, so try to use auto-weapons with large clips like ARs & SMGs.
  • You have some First aid kits, so don't forget to share them with teammates.
  • You can carry the bags with decent speed.
  • Keep concealment less than 5 for best results.
  • You can kill people during the stealth missions.
  • You can jump from non-fatal heights.
  • Swan song - its vital to leave the battlefield & lay down somewhere safe.


Epilogue
Thanks for reading this guide.
Sorry about lack of pictures here, goin to add some soon.

If some good person would like to help me correct this guide - add a comment.

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4 条留言
Nemo 2015 年 1 月 15 日 上午 1:51 
Oh no! I better give you a FAK! You have low health D: (... oka)
Breaks Ini7 2015 年 1 月 15 日 上午 12:15 
where is everyone acessing the burgular perk deck? I bought the dlc and can find everything but that. :(
J.D.  [作者] 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:42 
Thanks, fixed.
Kyrie 2015 年 1 月 11 日 上午 2:36 
car4 is shit


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