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(1.0.8) Disloyal French Subjects

@Wolf it was an action added by Paradox in the last patch that the subjects can click.
i am not sure what are the requirements but i think they can click it even above 50 loyalty.

they just released a hot fix so they might have tweaked it already.

So is it a flat chance once they are below 50? and thus disloyal?

I think the ai_will_do needs to depend on a few factors, such as their proximity to english lands, how disloyal they are, how much they like england, etc... i.e. Flanders that has good relations with england and low loyalty should be more likely to defect than say Foix.

@kimbo i will wait until they actually release the patch before jumping to any more changes for now.

I ran a couple of tests with different setups and vanilla seems to be pretty balanced right now, with England having slightly the upper hand. Any modifiers that negatively affect France's subject loyalty will end in England winning within the first 10 years or so. I also think its overtuned right now.

Had the same results, Flanders, Brittany and Burgundy switch sides pretty frequently. That's not an issue per se and probably intended. I tried different flat loyalty penalties; every time England won, even with just -5 subject loyalty.

That's why I thought applying a loyalty penalty after the HYW might be easier than trying to find the right balancing for the HYW. I still had the idea to apply greater penalties for duchies and appanages to make the integration of Brittany and the appanages slower, but my modding capabilities are very limited.

Just checked the files and it seems it's an optino in the HYW situation that ai can click and instantly defect but the AI really wants to do it since the script (ai_will_do = 150 )
150 is super high which means the ai will always click it no matter what it seems.

this will probably be fixed i assume

@Kimbo okay just did some testing in the beta and it seems they might have overtuned it a bit.
there are events that grant -20 to france's subjects and whenever a subject is under 50% they have a chance to defect .

the thing is i tested on vanilla and in the first 5 years brittany flanders and most of france's subjects defected

so this seems like a bug to me for now

i will look into the files and see why that event is bugged.

@Kimbo unsure what the new beta changed concerning loyalty but if you wanted another approach you can try doing events that apply different static modifers to france for a specfic duration

Forgot my question: Any idea how to apply this debuff differently, e.g., as a country modifier that fires after the HYW?

I ran some minor observer tests with beta patch 1.0.10 and they showed that even minor disloyalty of French subjects will lead to England almost instantly winning the HYW even without war. Had a max disloyalty of -15 and that was already enough for England to persuade French subjects to join their side.

The idea to apply this debuff to the French government reforms is really nice and it worked very well to build different tiers of disloyalty (-5 base, -10 for duchies, -15 for appanages). But the new beta seems to have broken this approach.

It works with the Brittany + France mod and your centralization mod. I'd bet Roflpotamus did not create a playset in the main menu. It took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure that out lol.