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"The Saint" and "The Monster" Achievements
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This guide describes how to get "The Saint" and "The Monster" achievements with detailed steps.
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Criteria for the Achievements 
The Saint 
The Monster 
Afterword 
留言
Criteria for the Achievements
I tried to dig into the game's source and data files to understand the requirements of "The Saint" and "The Monster" achievements.

See from the game asset file "achievements.asset", both achievements are controlled by and only by one variable CassiaGoodEvil. The variable increases when you make good choices, while decreases when you make evil ones. "The Saint" requires the variable to be >=34 at the end of the game, and "The Monster" <=-46. (BTW, another pair of achievements "Tyrant for a Day" and "Kyria for a Day" are also controlled by this variable. Criteria are <=0 and >0, respectively.)

Then I added log printing lines into the source code to watch the variable CassiaGoodEvil. I played the game again and again, making different choices to see which choices adjusted the variable and by how many. I noted down all the choices that adjusted the variable, and the choices' prerequisites (as many as possible). All these finally compose to the steps in the two sections below.

For "The Saint", the step 19 below may be critical. I read many discussions before writing this guide but none of them mentioned that you must choose "Save Mirai" here. Perhaps because there will always be a "DING" sound whatever you choose here. That indeed confused the players.
The Saint
Below are all my actions for getting "The Saint" achievement, ordered by the time when I did the actions. If you are going to follow the list, There are three things to note.
  • Make sure every of the actions with CassiaGoodEvil adjustment is triggered. Because all the adjustments add up to +34, which is the threshold for the achievement.
  • I suggest to avoid all unnecessary dialog. That is, to avoid starting any dialog that is NOT mentioned in any of the steps below. For example, I did not start any dialog with Faramud.
  • Conquering all cities is not required.
Actions for "The Saint" achievement:
  1. Start a new game and progress to the fight after you bring Zurbaran to Naurim. Promise Naurim gold, not Niobé's head.
  2. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] At the camp, talk to Takate and ask his opinion of Naurim. Talk to Naurim (gold or family does not matter) and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Appease Naurim".
  3. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] When you have your first prisoner Rashida Benyali, niece of Baram al Cumrat, interrogate her (choice does not matter) and then let her go.
  4. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] At Lorfas, talk to the alchemist, and choose "Confirm".
  5. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Continue the talk with the alchemist. Spread rumours about Cassia's mercy.
  6. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] When you meet the blind sculptor Gilmon, choose "Let him go!" and do not cut his tongue.
  7. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] After you saved Mirai, you will have Niobé as prisoner. Talk to her until you can choose "[Naurim] My gold!". Choose it. Then talk to Naurim and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Zurbaran is part of the family".
  8. At the camp, talk to Zurbaran. Choose "You have to seduce Niobé".
  9. Go to Lorfas. Click on Niobé and Zurbaran on the right, and choose "Answer truthfully". Whether ask for recipe or not does not matter. Click on Takate and Mirai on the left, then either option.
  10. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Go back to camp. Talk to Takate and choose "Mirai" -> "Watch out for her!".
  11. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Free prisoner Druid.
  12. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Talk to Zurbaran and choose "Why was Naurim cast out?". If there are too many items and the option does not appear on screen, ask "Progress with Niobé" first. (In some play throughs I asked about Naurim's casting out at earlier point and then did not get the second and third options to manipulate Naurim. There is possibly a bug here. Asking about the casting out after the second manipulation works for me.) Then talk to Naurim and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Hold pitiful monologue" -> "Keep going with pitiful monologue" -> "Keep going with pitiful monologue" (the second time).
  13. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Free prisoner Nasrin.
  14. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Free prisoner Adamant.
  15. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Free prisoner Tykates.
  16. In one of El'Halem and Couris, click on Niobé and Zurbaran. Choose "Serious answer". After that any choice will be OK.
  17. [CassiaGoodEvil +2] In Duyar, click on Niobé and Zurbaran. Choose "I'll leave you alone". After that any choice will be OK. Go to camp and ask Niobé for "The last ingredients for the recipe". (Then you need to choose "Leave for Necromancer [Fight]" for a fight. The fight does not contribute to the var CassiaGoodEvil but it is required for completing the quest "Niobé's Recipe". You need to complete the quest before you can finally progress to Marwan's palace.)
  18. After the first fight in Marwan's palace, choose "[Takate] Save Mirai".
  19. [CassiaGoodEvil +2] When Cassia stands before Marwan, there will be four rounds of dialogs. For the first round (Sarcasm/Silence/Threaten), choose any option. For the second round (Bad conscience?/Silence/Threaten/The Spider doesn't beg), choose any option. At the third round (Silence/Save Mirai), be sure to choose "Save Mirai". The fourth round does not matter.
  20. When Cassia is at the throne, you should have Mirai playing on the ground, and Naurim and Zurbaran standing before Cassia.
  21. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Talk to Naurim and choose "Keep promise (5 chests of gold)". (After that either killing him or freeing him will be OK. For Zurbaran, any option does not matter.)
  22. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Build facilities -> Schools (1 chest of gold)
  23. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Build facilities -> Orphanages (1 chest of gold)
  24. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Build facilities -> Baths (1 chest of gold)
  25. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Improve city -> Gardens (1 chest of gold)
  26. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Improve city -> Statues of Cassia (1 chest of gold) -> The pretty face
  27. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Riz -> Improve city -> Seal labyrinth (1 chest of gold)
  28. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Lower taxes (-2 chests of gold)
  29. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Create laws -> Forbid brewing of poisons (1h)
  30. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Create laws -> Forbid chimerology (1h)
  31. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Create laws -> Forbid slavery (1h)
  32. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Decide about the prisoners (2h) -> Niobé -> Let her go
  33. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Thalea -> Compensate war victims (1 chest of gold)
  34. [CassiaGoodEvil +2] Guard -> Do something -> Go to orphanage (2h)
  35. [CassiaGoodEvil +2] Guard -> Do something -> Visit hospital (2h)
  36. [CassiaGoodEvil +1] Guard -> Hold a feast -> Wine feast (1 chest of gold)
  37. Let Cassia finally go to sleep. "The Saint" achievement should pop up after the ending video.
The Monster
Below are all my actions for getting "The Monster" achievement, ordered by the time when I did the actions. If you are going to follow the list, There are three things to note.
  • All the adjustments add up to -50 so you have a 4-point margin as the achievement requires only -46.
  • I suggest to avoid all unnecessary dialog. That is, to avoid starting any dialog that is NOT mentioned in any of the steps below.
  • Conquering all cities is not required.
Actions for "The Saint" achievement:
  1. Start a new game and progress to the fight after you bring Zurbaran to Naurim. Promise Naurim Niobé's head, not gold.
  2. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] At the camp, talk to Takate and ask his opinion of Naurim. Talk to Naurim (gold or family does not matter) and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Raise Naurim's anger".
  3. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Kill prisoner Rashida Benyali.
  4. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] At Lorfas, talk to the alchemist, and choose "Frighten".
  5. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Continue the talk with the alchemist. Spread rumours about Cassia's cruelty.
  6. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] At Lorfas, talk to Faramud. Choose "Let the mercenaries pillage".
  7. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] When you meet the blind sculptor Gilmon, choose "String him up!".
  8. [CassiaGoodEvil -2] After you saved Mirai, you will have Niobé as prisoner. Talk to her until you can choose "[Naurim] My gold!". Choose it. Then talk to Naurim and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Zurbaran betrayed you" -> "Not yet!".
  9. Go to Lorfas. Click on Takate and Mirai on the left, then either option.
  10. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Go back to camp. Talk to Takate and choose "Mirai" -> "Keep away from her!".
  11. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Kill prisoner Druid.
  12. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Talk to Zurbaran and choose "Why was Naurim cast out?". (In some play throughs I asked about Naurim's casting out at earlier point and then did not get the second and third options to manipulate Naurim. There is possibly a bug here. Asking about the casting out after the second manipulation works for me.) Then talk to Naurim and choose "Manipulate Naurim" -> "Raise Naurim's anger".
  13. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Kill prisoner Nasrin.
  14. [CassiaGoodEvil -2] Kill prisoner Adamant and do not give him word (choose "Silence").
  15. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Kill prisoner Tykates.
  16. [CassiaGoodEvil -4] After Marwin's strike back, ask Niobé for the last ingredient for the recipe. Then talk to Faramud and choose "Interrogate Niobé with thumbscrews" -> "Go ahead!".
  17. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Talk to Niobé and choose "Harsh". (Then you need to choose "Leave for Necromancer [Fight]" for a fight. The fight does not contribute to CassiaGoodEvil but it is required for completing the quest "Niobé's Recipe". You need to complete the quest before you can progress to Marwan's palace.)
  18. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] After getting the last ingredient, click Niobé and choose either "Hang her" or "Fead her to corapia" (here is a typo in game text).
  19. [CassiaGoodEvil -2] At El'Halam, talk to Faramud. Choose "Let the mercenaries pillage".
  20. [CassiaGoodEvil -3] At Couris, talk to Faramud. Choose "Let the mercenaries pillage".
  21. [CassiaGoodEvil -4] At Duyar, talk to Faramud. Choose "Let the mercenaries pillage".
  22. After the first fight in Marwan's palace, choose "[Takate] Fight in Marwan's arena".
  23. When Cassia is at the throne, you should have Naurim and Takate standing before Cassia, no Zurbaran nor Mirai.
  24. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Talk to Naurim and choose "Keep promise (Niobé's head)". (After that either killing him or freeing him will be OK. For Takate, any option does not matter.)
  25. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Riz -> Build facilities -> Jails (1 chest of gold)
  26. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Riz -> Build facilities -> Catacombs (1 chest of gold)
  27. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Riz -> Improve city -> Grand avenue (2 chests of gold)
  28. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Riz -> Improve city -> Statues of Cassia (1 chest of gold) -> The ugly face
  29. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Riz -> Improve city -> Triumph column (1 chest of gold)
  30. Riz -> Melt down gold jewelery (+2 chests of gold)
  31. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Thalea -> Raise taxes (+2 chests of gold)
  32. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Thalea -> Create laws -> Consolidate power (1h)
  33. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Thalea -> Create laws -> Abolish marriage (1h)
  34. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Hold a feast -> Gladiatorial games (1 chest of gold)
  35. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Strenthen Mengbilla's army -> Soldiers (1 chest of gold)
  36. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Strenthen Mengbilla's army -> Riders (1 chest of gold)
  37. [CassiaGoodEvil -2] Guard -> Strenthen Mengbilla's army -> Creatures (1 chest of gold)
  38. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Strenthen Mengbilla's army -> Fleet (1 chest of gold) (It actually costs 2 chests of gold.)
  39. [CassiaGoodEvil -2] Guard -> Strenthen Mengbilla's army -> War engines (2 chests of gold)
  40. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Do something -> Visit gladiatorial game (2h)
  41. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Do something -> Visit gladiatorial game (2h) (Repeat.)
  42. [CassiaGoodEvil -1] Guard -> Do something -> Visit gladiatorial game (2h) (Repeat again.)
  43. Let Cassia finally go to sleep. "The Monster" achievement should pop up after the ending video.
Afterword
I started playing Blackguards 2 in 2020. At that time there were already lots of discussions about "The Saint" and "The Monster" achievements. Some players believed that the two achievements were possibly broken. I played the levels again and again, fought time after time, but still get neither achievement unlocked. At last, I gave up fully achieving Blackguards 2, frustratedly.

Time comes to the late 2023, and one day I saw Blackguards 2 again in my Steam library. Suddenly I remembered all the characters and their stories. The Spider Queen Cassia, even if she suffered a lot and was going to revenge, there was still kindness within her heart. Zurbaran, a poet who could not seduce beauties was not a good magician. And Naurim, a true dwarf who was eager to be part of your family. (Sorry for Takate. I only remembered that your name sounds like a Japanese name, which means "master").

I felt that it was too early to give up. Then I started to seek the two achievements again. There were more discussions than three years ago, and I read all the posts I could find. One day in my one play through, I got "The Saint" achievement. Lucky! But I did not know why. Soon after a few hackings, I managed to get "The Monster" (and the "Eternal Gratitude!", which is for achieving all other achievements). But I still did not know why. Being an achievement player, I felt good enough. I deleted the game and went to sleep, peacefully.

In the dream, I heard the call from the Spider Queen: "You already got the ultimate achievements. Would you be able to help others who have not?"

Perhaps I could! I tried to dig into the game and finally composed this guide for you. If it helped you to get the achievements, I will be glad to know. If not, just reply in below and let me know how to improve. Glory to the Spider Queen Cassia!

The story telling of Blackguards 2 is really good. Isn't it? Let us not forget:
  • There are always options for kindness (Thanks to Cassia);
  • Seduce? Just show the one you love with your true feelings (Thanks to Zurbaran);
  • Gold? Family is the most important (Thanks to Naurim);
  • I will jump for the one I love, even if the bottom is death (Thanks to Takate).
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Chayoneko  [作者] 10 月 24 日 上午 7:01 
Congratulations for getting the achievement, and thank you for sharing!

Hmm, maybe there are some positive options I did not hit. There is a 4-point margin for The Monster, so it is reasonable for The Saint to have some extra points as well.

I hope you enjoyed the game <3 Have fun :steamhappy:
Flashing Chihaya 10 月 24 日 上午 6:49 
So, following your steps, I got The Saint. However, there's a little bit different I'd like to share (or it's just bugged).

During the last battle, I choose Kill Marwan (I thought the potion should remove the blood curse). Then, when Cassia is at the throne, I don't have Mirai playing on the ground, and Naurim and Zurbaran are gone.
So I can't keep promise to Naurim.
And yes, I still got The saint.

Anyway, it's just FYI. And thanks again for the work.
Chayoneko  [作者] 10 月 22 日 上午 4:39 
Thanks you! My friend :-) Good luck with the achievement! I hope you will enjoy the game <3
Flashing Chihaya 10 月 22 日 上午 3:59 
Normally, I wouldn't bother to do achievements so complex and story relating.
Of course I would try, but if I failed, so be it.

But your "afterword" deeply touched me, made me recall so many other good stories and characters in other good RPGs (thank God they usually don't include achievements require 37 fixed choices).

So, I decide to follow your guide and achieve The Saint to show my respect to you.
Chayoneko  [作者] 9 月 17 日 上午 12:47 
Good luck! I hope you will get both achievements soon :silksong:
Disco 9 月 16 日 下午 5:31 
Will be following from a save where I managed to do most of the steps off the cuff, ty for steps
Chayoneko  [作者] 2 月 5 日 下午 5:47 
Congratulations for getting both achievements! :steamhappy: Right there is margin for "The Monster" so it should be a bit easier than "The Saint".
Epic Fail X 2 月 5 日 上午 11:48 
"The Monster" worked without problems as well. Great guide! Thank you!
You definitely have more leeway with this one: For some reason I couldn't visit the gladiatorial games in the end but the achievement was still unlocked.
Chayoneko  [作者] 1 月 31 日 上午 12:13 
Good to know that "The Saint" part helped! Hopefully that you will get "The Monster" soon!
Epic Fail X 1 月 29 日 上午 3:45 
The Guide for "the Saint" worked like a charm. I didn't manage to capture Marwan (it needs to be done with the Petrifier, right?), so Mirai wasn't there in the throne room (as mentioned in 20.). Luckily that wasn't an issue for triggering the achievement.