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Coco Guide [v1.2.3]
由 Nohead 制作
Wanna play Coco? Here's you can learn how.
15.05.23 created
20.05.23 updated for ver. 1.2.0 (and 1.2.1)
21.05.23 game is reverted to 1.1.1 BUT Coco super is nerfed and no longer can be combo-starter after "dash install" 66236S
29.05.23 Ver 1.2.3 Super is partially reverted and can be comboed after dash install into M,214L,214M. 214H seems to have more opportunity to combo after (on Botan at least) so you can do 214H,H,2H,22M. Roboco 214H setups are stil there, and even better.
Art on the thumbnail is by xiaoju_xiaojie https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/82659678
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Intro 
Basic moves 
Special Moves 
Gameplan 
Collab Assists 
Combos 
Collab combos 
Matchups 
留言
Intro
Welcome to the Coco Kiryu Guide. Here you'll learn how to play as Coco and how to have some fun while playing. Guide is written for version 1.2.3.


Coco is a Grappler. It usually means that she should want to get close and land an unblockable move that deals damage.

BUT Idol Showdown has combination of specific mechanics that makes "classic grappler archetype" not exacly fitting. Thats why Coco can link her grabs into combos and has a mixbag of tools that give her advantages in very specific areas.
But... all of her tools has huge drawbacks.

Coco's PROS
  • Good pokes. She has exceptional range or movement on her normal attacks.
  • Short but damaging combos. Comboable grabs. Insane safejump.
  • Varied tools. She can grab, she can avoid projectiles, she can poke and so on.
  • Armored unblockable 3-frame Super, that you can combo after.

Coco's CONS
  • Big body. She will get hit by things other characters might not.
  • Can't convert Superchat meter into combo extentions well.
  • Generates less meter.
  • Her moves have very defined drawbacks and she has mediocre hitboxes... in game where characters with BROKEN hitboxes exist.
Basic moves
PEASE IGNORE MOST LIGHT-BLUE BOX IN THE CENTER OF HITBOXES, IT IS A COLLISION BOX AND IS NOT HITTABLE.
_________Attack_________
Description

Advantages: [-1 HIT / -4 BLK]
Ignites the opponent.
Should be used as "thick throw": you'll hit opponent with it and do a throw (5L ~ 236G) with slight delay. If you skilled enough, fast throws will combo.
Advantages: [-8 HIT / -15 BLK]
Can't be interrupted by projectiles (you still will be damaged).
Fast & moving forward attack. Helps to shorten the distance after 2M or in juggle-combos. Very unsafe, should always be canceled into something else on block. Boyong-boyong. Also initial frames make Coco shorter, but it does not matter much (most characters are shorter than Coco and she will be hit even by standing light attacks).

Advantages: [-3 HIT / -5 BLK]
Has a "sweet spot" when only boot connects with the opponent (+20 damage, higher juggle) VERY DUMB THING THAT MAKES SOME COMBOS WONK.
Far reaching heavy attack. Can be canceled into 3H, so its a combo starter of-sorts. If blocked, should be canceled into Wide Coco (22S). Not an antiar, sadly. Can go over low attacks, though.

Advantages: [+3 HIT / -3 BLK]
Hits low. Has good reach. Can be used as Thick throw. Has low profile, but very situational. Works against SOME standing lights.

Advantages: [-4 HIT / -8 BLK]
Hits low. Has even better reach than 2L BUT blue "hittable" box comes like 4 frames before actual "hitting" box so you will be stuffed if opponent do a low attack at the same time. Not a "Low profile" either, because at this height you will be hit by anything.

Advantages: [-16 HIT / -14 BLK]
Hits MID. CAN'T BE BLOCKED IN AIR. Launches on hit. Antiair. Hits above Coco, so can be used when opponent tries to jump over you. Horizontal range sucks. Coco's only normal attack with respectable hitbox (red box much further than blue).Also can stuff some hight attacks unlike 2M

Advantages: [+39 HIT / -14 BLK]
Very far poke that hits low. Hard knockdown on hit. Blue "hittable box" appear long before red box, so you can be hit out of it. Very unsafe on block. Should be cancelled into something (22S).

Advantages: [Up to +6 HIT / ~0 BLK]
OVERHEAD. Has terrible horizontal range. Can cross up the opponent. If you hit the jumping opponent - you both fall directly downward, which is super good. Used for jump-ins.

Advantages: [Up to +12 HIT / ~0 BLK]
OVERHEAD. Ignites the opponent. Has good horizontal reach. Your only air-to-air normal.

Advantages: [Up to +6 HIT / around -6 BLK]
OVERHEAD. "Stops" Coco in the air for a second. Has a height restriction to use (really bad). On hit IT CAN perfectly setups for some throw combos (example: JH, 214+H on standing ayame). On block you can be easily punished. Coco's worst normal. Do not use it.
HORRIBLY BUGGED 1st frame of JH shifts Coco DOWN, making it completely useless against anti-airs despite it being this move's main purpose.

Advantages: [knockdown HIT / -21 on whiff]
Standard grab (red box must overlap to a very light-blue part of opponent hitbox). Sends opponent far away. Can't be comboed after. Coco's worst grab.

Advantages: [+2 HIT / +1 BLK]
OVERHEAD. Has small advantage on block and hit. Can be comboed into Super and has 1F gap to do a 236+G. Very wonk move, you need to wait literal second after it hits, to act again.
J. - Glide
Very bad for avoiding anything. Your Hittable area never goes higher that it is already in air.
THIS MOVE IS USED ONLY FOR 2 PURPOSES:
1. CHASING THROWN OPPONENTS.
1.1. After SUPER.
1.2. After 236G or 236H for 1 Chat bar (JS, JB mid screen JS, JC in the corner).
2. SETTING UP COMBOABLE 236G.
2.1. After any grab that leaves opponent close to you, jump and almost instantly press S. If Coco's skirt is roughly at height of opponents head "J.L land 236G" will be a true combo.
2.2. By doing low J.S almost at the ground (after 236L \ M et c.) you can bait opponents reactions to J.L \ 2L \ Nothing \ Grab.
3. This

Special Moves
_________Attack_________
Description
John
- Verbal Roasting
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
L
13
14
39
KD
-10
M
17
27
31
KD
-17
Both versions go over projectiles, both versions ignite the opponent (L ignites for longer). Used as weird zoning-antiair move.
Light version comes faster and have less disadvantage on block (despite having MORE recovery). can be used to shot down air approach. If canceled int 22+S you can combo into B.
Medium used in combos.
- Roast Review
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
H
5
2
62
KD
- (62)
ITSA GRAB. Ignites the opponent. Switches sides. Can be comboed after.
\ \ - Acrobatic Assault
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
L
25
2
55
KD
-
M
31
32
35
KD
-
H
25
2
58
KD
-
Not a move that you will use much. All versions has tons of recovery frames if they whiff.
Light version is fast. Has grab invulnerability at the end. Switch sides on hit.
Medium has armor, has grab invulnerability in the begining. Switch sides on hit.
Heavy Has projectile, grab invulnerabilities and lots of damage. Used as counter to projectiles.
Very situational moves. If you need to chase the opponent he will probably attack or jump and this move is weak to that kind of stuff. And you'll get punished if you whiff it.
\ \ - Tail-Grab
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
L
5
9
35
KD
-
M
7
9
35
KD
-
H
9
9
88
KD
-
Air unblockable, has top body invulnerability. Your antiar move. Whiff on standing opponents.
Light version has vertical reach.
Medium version has horizontal reach.
Heavy Has both and can hit knocked down opponents. But sends them far away.
- Sh*tpost Review
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
G
5
2
62
KD
-
Side switching grab. Has throw invulnerability until you grab the opponent BUT also has tons of recovery frames if they whiff. Leaves opponent close.
- Essence of Dragon Drop
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
G
4
2
61
KD
-
Damage dealing grab. Has throw invulnerability until you grab the opponent. Sends opponent far away. Coco's primary grab for thick trows.
- Plug-In Type AsaCoco
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
G
11
2
26
-3
-
Hits knocked down opponents and restands them. Deal moderate damage but scales further damage 50%. Also it places opponent outside of grab range. So its a bad option, but only one avaible.
- Wide Coco
Version
Startup
Recovery
S
13
14
"Cursed design move" A move that serves purely utility purpose and used to soften downsides of other moves. You can avoid projectiles with it.
Basically: You will use this move to cancel disadvantages of blocked attacks like H, 3H, 214+L / M. Or to extend a combo after 214+L
- Essence of True Form: Just Like a Dragon
Version
Startup
Active
Recovery
Adv. on HIT
Adv. on BLK
S
3
2
62
KD
-
Super GRAB. Fastest Grab. Invulnerable to throws up until the active frames. Has Super armor from 1st frame to the last frame. Can be followed by J.S for free.
Gameplan
Coco's winning conditions are:
  • Get close and personal.
  • Don't mess up tight links for combo throws OR make the opponent scared of jumping or attacking when Coco goes for a throw.

To do that, you'll need to use your poking moves like , , . And react to opponent jumps with moves like and .All of this - just to make opponent less agressive and win the neutral.

Second important thing is to do (against opponents with projectiles):
Get enough Star meter to do , so you could punish projectiles AND get into position to do throw mixups.

IN THE LIGHT OF DISCOVERY OF LINKABLE THROWS THIS PART CAN BE REPLACED WITH HUGE NEON POSTER WITH SHINING "GIT GUD" ON IT
If you have the ability to do a Thick throw ~ , you need to do just reset into combo ~ - combo - first to see if opponent is jumpy or not (and make opponent don't want to jump).
GIT GUD AND COMBO THOSE GRABS


After initial threatening phase, you will see if opponent is conditioned to block... or is indeed a monkey who will mash buttons every time it is possible.

If opponent is conditioned you can go to do thick throws, setup low airdashes into comboable throws, do overheads into throws and et c.

If opponent is mashing you need to start to use Chat meter and Star meter to just do SUPER CANCELS in combos.

If opponent decided to zone you you need to step up your WIDE game and use to get in and cancels to avoid being spammed.
Collab Assists
Mio Ookami
Generally good.

COLLAB (2 Chat Bars): It helps you by debuffing your opponent. Its not exactly super effective but steals resources and adds psychological damage.
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Combo extension and super punish. Very good, worth the meter. As it has 214 input, you can easily counter some moves with it or extend your combo after 214+L\M (or after H,3+H) and deal guaranteed 450~500 damage. Can be used after SUPER (super good).

Marine Houshou
Yarr we're arrive in the Rotten harbour of Midtown.

COLLAB (2 Chat Bars): Coco benefits from slowdown and chip damage BUUUUT Marine can't latch on the opponent in HIT OR BLOCK STUN (its a grab). So, you need set up Marine... AND WHY THE ♥♥♥ YOU WANT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF DOING GRABS?
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Same. It can be used the same way as Ookami's SUPER COLLAB or to shoot opponent from full screen distance, BUUUUT damage is not reliable and there is no wallbounce. So it just not worth the meter spent.

Kanata Amane
THE UNSEEN POWERMOVE

Ok Hear me out: yes, Kanata does not make Coco better... and her collabs either overlap or initially work against Coco... BUUUUUUUUT... Did you know that any side swithching grab will make COLLAB waves push opponent into you? Did you know that you can gram opponent with 22L\M after her super collab? YEAH...

Iroha Kazama
REMINDER: Psychological damage doesn't shown on the leaderboards.
COLLAB (2 Chat Bars): A way to discourage opponent from jumping. BUT opponent can still try to flush the meter or gamble being hit for 5% HP instead of risking getting thrown.
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Very situational, not very comboable punish. You can deal psychological damage by using it to close the game agains zoning opponent but THATS IT.

Risu Ayunda
THE UN-POWERMOVE II: Nutty boogaloo.

Yeah... thats not Coco's collab. Risu's COLLAB do not worth the meter (even if it can make Coco's Light pressure strong and confusing for the opponent) SUPER COLLAB do not fit Coco at all.

Kiara Takanashi
THE TOP TIER ASSASIN


COLLAB (2 Chat Bars): You don't like being zoned. Use this.
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Deletes projectiles. Lets you run in. Can be used as Corner-carry-combo-extender-with-bad-damage, so its not great use of meter.

Amelia Watson
CRY ABOUT IT

COLLAB (3 Chat Bars): Thick throws with L, 2L and 2M now actually combo ON HIT and opponent cannot contest your Light spam without using meter. Main benefit is that opponent is slower and can't contest your pressure. Combos turns basically freestyle, but scaling is atrocious and damage don't worth meter. But you can style on the opponent by doing "Roasting loops".
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Combo extender that better be used after 3H (other stuff either scales the damage or too slow).

Roboco
GRIND & HUSSLE

COLLAB (3 Chat Bars): Have really good synergy with all "meme reveiw" specials. Actually THE ONLY ASSIST ACTION NOW that can work with them AND actually does somethning. Damage still don't worth the meter cost. In other cases YOU can lock opponent with very deliberate setups in situations when he can't jump, attack and punish your attemt to throw.
SUPER COLLAB (2 Star Bars): Laser erases projectiles, so you can punish projectile spam and try to dash in. Can comboextend effectively if you do it instantly after 22+L\M or 3H, 214S ~ 214A, 22S.... Both ways not as simple as other assists.

Miko Sakura
DOUBLE FIRE WAS SOMEHOW TWICE AS BAD! WTF!

The thing is. Miko can give pressure, Coco don't need that. Coco need to throw the opponent, Miko is do not allow that. So picking Miko is like picking Risu - just a powermove.
Combos
Some examples:

Basic
Combo starters:
From light attacks:
, ,, ...

From mid Attacks:
,, ...

, , ...

From far heavies (very wonk if you'll end it with 214L\M, you need to hit FAR H and still hit with 3H):
, ... (wonk stuff, use 22M if you hit upclose)
, ... (works only upclose)

Enders
...,





Enders with meter
... SC , ,,

... SC ,

... SC ~ ,, (very hard in 1.08, probably not possible on everyone)

Specific combos:
~ link ~ ~ ,,...
~ like 2 frames links ~
(2M works only in the corner, L ~ 214H is like 1 frame grab or something.)

~ , ,,...

, ,,
(Your feet in JS animation must be at the height of your knees in standing animation)

~
Collab combos
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Collab:
Should be used as pressure tool to be honest. You literally waste 3 Chat bars to do a loop that does same damage as regular combo with 1 chat bar.
But if you want to style on somebody 2M,M,2H,214B COLLAB ~ M,2H, 214B ~ M,H, 22M, 22G
Super COLLAB:
236+S ~ just before super ends ~ 214+S ~ 66, M,2H,22+M,22+L,22+G
(optional 2M, H), 3H ~ 214+S ~ 66, M,2H,22+M,22+L,22+G

Meter Well spent


Super COLLAB:
236+S ~ just before super ends ~ 214+S ~ 66, M,2H,22+M,22+L,22+G
(optional 2M, H), 3H ~ 214+S ~ 66, M,2H,22+M,22+L,22+G

IT HITS BOTH WAYS?! AND YOU CAN'T FIX IT!?!?!?


Collab:
236M ~ activate collab when Coco grabs the neck ~ L,M,2H,22M,M,H,22M,22G
236H ~ activate collab when Coco grabs the neck ~ M,2H,22M,M,2H,22M,22G
(devs notes of 1.2.0 say that its fixed, but its not)
Super COLLAB:
(optional 2M, M),H \ 2H, 22M (INSTANTLY!) 214S, M,2H,22M,22G
(optional H,),3H, 214S ~ slight delay ~ 214L, 22S, M,2H,22M,22G

50kg nipple damage.


Collab:
Waves set up: when 236M or 214H grab connects you ACTIVATE THE COLLAB, then it will allow you to do eithr M,H,(wave hit)2H,22M,22G or L,M,H,2H,22M,22G and it will swoop opponent to you right after the last hit of 22G (and its long enough to do several attempts or 2 sucsessful grabs).
Super COLLAB:
You can go raw or setup 214S grab by doing 214L\M, IF opponent crouches under your Roasting - activate 214S earlier, if he blocks it, - press S right around after the 1st hit of the Roasting. Its distance dependable, so it sucks to give advices when to do it.
AFTER GRAB: dash in wait, do 22M, press M when opponent turns white, SC 22L, SC 22M, 22G ta-da ~570 damage.

Matchups
Well... as its expected, Coco x Coco matches are perfect example of the encyclopedia homoerotica. Coco has very specific tools to deal with other people, so Coco x Coco match is like having two can openers without an actual can to open. Also she can't duck her own 214+L\M. Ofcourse You must pick Mio or Amelia as your collab.


Botan is a problem. Not only she will zone Coco, Botan can antiar any Coco's mid-air buttons with most of her grounded buttons AND IT CONVERTS INTO DAMAGE. Also Coco can't use 214L with any sucsess unless she forced Botan to jump back. Also Botan will generate more meter (botan can spam, Coco - can't) and will convert her hits into more damage. Coco need to conserve meter and pray for Botan mistakes. Kiara is the only Collab for this matchup. Srsly, right now it is this bad.


Coco x Ayame matchup is rather equal. Ayane has better 3H in terms of range and useability. So don't try to jump on her much, she will bonk you. But Ayame count as standing during her 3H, so you can roast her with 214L and go in. Ayame's 214L\M\H are punishable by 236G and 236S on block. Remember that Ayame is "Unga character" and you should out-poke and zone her, let her come to you and make mistakes. Also Coco's 236M is very risky, because you can't grab Ayame's 214L\M\H.

Don't. May god help you.
10 条留言
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Wood mmr scholar 2023 年 11 月 4 日 上午 3:25 
So I'm not horrible at fighting games, I just chose a bad character?
The16thtoFall 2023 年 5 月 30 日 下午 7:48 
The Akirose assessment is very accurate. 😆
If you are adding more match-ups, I would say that Korone and Fubuki ones are roughly the same in terms of being oppressive to Coco. Both characters have half-decent zoning tools and invincible reversal options which makes it hard to fight them when they get a life-lead. The fact that they can control their projectile speeds to bait responses makes their offense and defense pretty strong against Coco's tools.
Dustin 2023 年 5 月 17 日 下午 3:03 
:steamthumbsup::steamthumbsup:
Nohead  [作者] 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 9:11 
Thanks for the info, pals! I'll test things before updating Matchups into more coehisive form.
After seing all the hitboxes and reading about them, I think that most of the worst matchups are caused by them. Like what you gonna do if opponent WILL CERTAINLY shoot down any of your options with ONE move? Not much. Hope it get fixed.
The16thtoFall 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 11:46 
Also. note that you can create 50-50 tick-throw scenarios at certain ranges with 5M + 4L using the light version of Acrobatic Assault + Verbal Roasting. Highly situational, and requires a lot of conditioning with pressure from lows. Good at forcing opponents into KD, but very unsafe if not spaced properly. Opponents can escape meterless for free by empty jumping forward or backward (while holding block) at the right time. Be careful if they choose to jump forward, as blocking Verbal Roasting in air allows for a quicker recovery upon landing.

Raptor Boost is also a decent call-out against KD mashers if timed properly, though your damage from this is reduced by 50%. If you use it too early, no grab hitbox will emerge and you will look very stupid
The16thtoFall 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:04 
Regarding unlisted match-ups (personal bias):

The Akirose match-up is far more oppressive than Botan match-up (Mukirose zoning + teleport mixes are so f**ked against Coco particularly, why is this meterless???), with the only saving grace being that Aki has very unsafe overhead pressure so you can get space control if you're patient. I actually recommend Roboco to help with space control for this match-up over Kiara, as threatening reflected projectiles against Aki gives you almost no value when you consider the other good pokes she has. (And no, Mukirose is not a projectile).
Lover of Kitsune 2023 年 5 月 15 日 下午 10:05 
I'd say for match ups Ayame is also a problem like Botan. Coco has no answer to Ayame's 2H. 3H can't reach her. Doing 236M doesn't work either since she can jump cancel on whiff. Jumping moves get AA'd into full combos. And for when they find other buttons to press, blocking one lunge forward leads to pressure you have minimal ways to escape. Most of Coco's pressure can still get pushed away with her DP style move. She's so short while crouched I could rarely get my J.M to connect.

Fought a solid Ayame for hours, and it felt like I was playing Ino against Happy Chaos in Strive. Any rounds or matches I won, it was only off their mistakes and doing hard reads that could end me if I guess wrong thrice. Playing Coco is the pinnacle of pain, peko.
*«≡Silver Whip≡»* 2023 年 5 月 14 日 上午 1:29 
I always used Kanata as collab partner, after reading this guide, I got "yep... HoloHouse is not a good pairing... would i change tho?"
Nohead  [作者] 2023 年 5 月 13 日 下午 3:19 
I did though.
Chris 2023 年 5 月 13 日 下午 1:26 
Good guide, one thing you didn't mention is you can actually combo after her 236+M(raptor grab) with a 5L.