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DEI Spartan Agoe trained, morale and stats & Swordsmen/Pike Population class change
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DEI Spartan Agoe trained, morale and stats & Swordsmen/Pike Population class change

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The mod slightly increases the stats of the general's bodyguard and last phase of spartan hoplites just so that they are slightly above the most elite late game infantry units in the game(mainly compared to other spearmen/hoplites units like themselves like Carthaginian Sacred Band). I also buffed their thorax swordsmen unit's defense stat from 4 to 8 and gave them 3 javelins instead of 1, esssentially turning them into a more proper hypaspist unit.

More over the spartan units get morale boosts, since if the agoe training is back and they are all well trained then "come back with this shield or upon it" still applies, they should not be routing under any circumstances.

The other thing is that going by the description it makes no sense that the thorax swordsmen of Sparta which for other factions are second class citizens, should be using up the first class citizen pool of sparta, I view that as a mistake in game balance. If it hadn't been for the update to DEI that gave Sparta those more elite Periokoi hoplites then things would be even worse in Sparta's total inability to genuinely rely on their second class citizens mid to late game. but that's not enough, they ought to have access to swordsmen recruited from periokoi, so I made that change. The exact same change was also made for Spartan Pikemen, what is all this talk about social reforms, bigger manpower pools, if you are still only using the first class citizens for everything which are scarce to begin with.

Way I see it, this makes a lot more sense, first class citizens of Sparta should be strictly for the Spartan hoplites and Agoe trained Spartan hoplites, everything else that compose their armies should be coming from the vast populations of the empire you as the gamer is building, from the periokoi to fill other roles, be it pikemen, swordsmen, peltast, etc, and the way the social classes for Sparta are treated and which units can be recruited from them ought to be the same way as it is for other Hellenic factions, units of equivalent strength can be recruited from second class for everyone else but Sparta is the exception...didn't like that so I changed it.

UPDATE: made the mod compatible with the Settlers SUBMOD for DeI
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Groouch 6 nov @ 20:16 
Is it possible to make it compatible with summary's submod for sparta?
HandyMan007 7 jun, 2023 @ 3:11 
Thank you very much!
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 5 jun, 2023 @ 19:25 
RPFM has a built in global search function, find out how to open it, then you can search the DEI mod for specific keywords, pertaining to population, search for a population class you do know of from seeing it in game and it will lead you to the rest. I don't remember right now but I believe(reading my mod description)...yeah I changed the population source for the Thorax Swordsmen from Spartan citizens to Periokoi, look at my mod since it is smaller and look at the tables, you'll find what you need there.
HandyMan007 1 jun, 2023 @ 1:53 
i want to change some population classes myself in the mod, but i can't seem to find where to change the source. Where do you change it? Then i could like make a mod that is historicly accurate all the way through. Thanks!!
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 26 mar, 2023 @ 18:20 
I don't play the game anymore, didn't know there had been updates, sry. You can grab the mod and update it yourself to your liking.Search for RPFM for Total War in a browser, download it and following the setup instructions, super easy and intuitive, modding just tables is extremely simple.
Leondas 26 mar, 2023 @ 16:44 
update?
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 29 jun, 2022 @ 17:26 
Mod now compatible with Settlers Submod for DeI
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 28 jun, 2022 @ 12:01 
Alright updated the stats, would welcome feedback, tell me if I went overboard. I tried following the same process of calculating the increase of stats and the ratio I used long ago only this time I used that ratio among the units, created a base line for Reformed Spartans by increasing their stats to be the same stats as the strongest(I think) spearmen unit like the Carthaginian Sacred Band in both attack and defense only, and use a ratio of 1:2.

So the way that works is that I add 1 point above the CSB in attack and then 2 points in defense. Then relative to the new NEW stats of the Reformed Spartans, for the final stage (Thorax Spartans) I added 1 and 2, to attack and defense. then did the same for the Royal Spartans that have the same stats, with the difference that I added this time unlike the first time I made the mod, 1 extra point in attack compared to the Thorax Spartans, cause I thought, these guys are cherry picked from the best of the best.
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 28 jun, 2022 @ 11:31 
Playing DEI again, will update the mod to reflect the increase stats that other units got.
libērtaŞ  [skapare] 28 sep, 2021 @ 11:25 
I would have to install the game again to be able to upload, um, just get the RPFM for total war modding, and open up my mod with it and make your own custom version, you can unsubscribe from mine and simply keep that one(no need to upload to use a mod).