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CrankyCoon:
That's fine, I just want some something. It's my fault for thinking it was too good of a deal.
[22:17]
cajumjoe:
you are wrong to think like that
if this went to court, he would be forced to give you the product he said he would
this is a comercial trade
you both agreed on a trade
be it money or goods
you gave him your part of the trade
he should give you his part of the trade
it's that simple
but well... this is not a court of law
so, if you get some compensation it's not bad
as long as it's not a complete loss
[22:19]
CrankyCoon:
Yeah that's fine, and serves me right for seeing a trade that was too good to be true.
Anyways, thank you for the info. Hopefully I'll hear from him later.
cajumjoe:
if McEngineer had taken precautions, he could have traded for some proper keys
yes, the keys he gave are old keys
Snapshopgames started sending new keys to the backers email on every backer revision/release
I know this because I am a backer myself
so I got my key on email
but the ones I traded with him I knew would be problem
and I told him about it
[22:15]
CrankyCoon:
well I'm gonna give him negative rep now, I don't like being cheated.
[22:15]
cajumjoe:
that those keys would not be final
I do well
you should change the rep until you get a compensation
just be ready... he's not going to give you Phoenix Point
if you paid for the game, he will suggest a refund
or if you traded for games, he will suggest your games back
or, you chose other games from his list
or, he buys you a game you want, at an aproximate value for the games you gave him
CrankyCoon:
Hiya, sorry to ask, but I traded for Phoenix Point from this same person you have been referencing, McEngineer, and I only have the "Backer Build". Is that not the full game?
[22:11]
cajumjoe:
hi
well, join the group
and check all the messages
you should talk with him about it
[22:12]
CrankyCoon:
I did, thank you.
[22:12]
cajumjoe:
he may take a while to answer
I thought he had traded 10 keys
but it counting... with you it's 15
*it's
[22:12]
CrankyCoon:
Yeah I figured the trade was too good to be true. I should have went with my original instinct.
[22:13]
cajumjoe:
it's not too good
did you read the whole story?
there are people selling the epic keys cheap
I found one, and traded his key to give one of the other users
but they are rare now
[22:14]
CrankyCoon:
well I mostly became concerned when I played the game and it threw me in without any into, and it still says "backer build", not like a full release.
It seems geramaniax, one trader that also was involved, has settled the deal with McEngineer. He has removed his negative review from Steamtrades. I'm not aware of what deal he got, because he didn't tell me, and McEngineer doesn't seem interested in revealing it.
Anyway, as I have said before (and I have it written down), my review on Steamtrades will remain negative until all the involved get the deal resolved. At the moment ウィザード is still dealing with him, and Trifox doesn't respond to my messages (so I'm not even considering Trifox).
He informed me geramaniax is already in conversation with him and they should be making a game trade soon (I hope).
Regarding Trifox, I have no information, from neither one of them.
That leaves one trader, with an asian name I can't read, still unresolved.
[09:18]
McEngineer Phoenix Point x 2:
1. if you pay with paypal then i will refund the transaction
2. if you trade with game then i will return the game
3. if you don't want a retur because you don't need that game anymore i still can pay you with steam wallet (TF KEY) / paypal - any wallet method here depends on my current wallet which one that i have to pay that
4. if you dont want a money, then you can try pick another game on my list available game
5. if you dont find any list in game interested, you can choose your wanted game on marketplace (which means i will give you wallet gift card)
If anyone else doesn't receive a resolution, I can voucher during any Steamrep reviews or talk to McEngineer as well. Just keep everyone in the loop until it's settled.
He went to Steamtrades justifying my negative review of the trade, and claiming: "even i offer to buy him the game that he wanted with the fair amount for his game value, but he refuse it and want to continue the deal with the price 3-4x his game value."
I hope I didn't take anything from anyone else's WL they were hoping to get from McEngineer
https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/DZG0B/h-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-blasphemous-soulcalibur-iv-more-paypal-w-phoenix-point-platinum
astarr: if McEngineer is ok with that trade, you just get yourself a deal that you consider fair.
I may ask for Dying Light + Deliver Us The Moon / Hob / Beholder 2
Mcengineer:
tell me if you have your wishlist on my trade list it may not updated right now
-----
So I see his trades on Steamtrades, Barter only has one game and that's phoenix point still.
https://www.steamtrades.com/trades/search?user=76561198157627841
I'll make an offer for what I trader and see if that's fair then settle it. But I'll change my +REP anyhow. It seems like he does want to work with traders to correct problems.
Let me know if anyone gets deals first. It may be the same or similar to what I received.
Thanks for getting us together, this would have been frustrating to do alone.
Me:
https://barter.vg/u/48af/o/2913263/
Thank you for the response,
Are you still able to get a Phoenix Point platinum key? I can wait if it will take time.
I traded Mist Survival & Kingdom Come: Deliverance, but if you don't have both I can take a wishlist item of value later.
Mcengineer:
tell me if you have your wishlist on my trade list it may not updated right now
I just got a response from McEngineer, here:
[17:55]
astarr:
Hi again, I heard from other traders they were having the same problems. We all received Backers Build keys, and that Backers receive the full game key. If you were retrading with someone else, they should have the full game key in their email from contact@snapshotgames.comAre you checking in to find them from your email or from someone else? I'm not in a hurry to receive my key, but I know the other traders are. Let me know if you've found all the keys and when I could receive mine.
[22:03]
McEngineer:
Hi
Hi, sorry for inconvenience since i got that key from other people so i got same problem with you and currently i offer to return your game, just reach me on steam
can you provide me what we trade before
[2:53 AM]
McEngineer:
hi
yes it is, i would try to refund transaction that we made
Homeworld RemasteredWarhammer End times VermintideShadowrun Hong Kong Extended Edition
[3:24 AM]
McEngineer:
let me know if you online
[4:19 PM]
Hyosoung:
Hi, thanks for the reply. I am not too sure I understand how you plan to refund those games. DId you activate those keys or did you sell them? Those keys are surely used by now. I am assuming you are a key reseller, in that case the value of the games I gave you changed over time, it decreased quite a bit actually, so how much would you be willing to refund and how? Steam wallet? I will try to be online later on during the night, around the time of your replies, now I can't be available unfortunately so we might discuss options. Feel free to explain in the meantime what you exactly meant by "refunding the transaction we made"
https://phoenixpoint.info/epicfaq?_ga=2.44829223.282994520.1575644113-1502034058.1575644113
Dec 5 10:20PM EST
McEngineer:
Hi, sorry for inconvenience since i got that key from other people so i got same problem with you and currently i offer to return your game, just reach me on steam
can you provide me what we trade before
Me:
https://barter.vg/u/48af/o/2913263/
Thank you for the response,
Are you still able to get a Phoenix Point platinum key? I can wait if it will take time.
I traded Mist Survival & Kingdom Come: Deliverance, but if you don't have both I can take a wishlist item of value later.
McEngineer:
sure
have you read the "long message"?
those games had a value when we traded them with you, they are not worth the same now
for example: Deathgarden Bloodharvest is now free to play
well, I don't know about the others, but like you could read from above, I'm not in agreement with the return of the games I gave you 3 months ago
maybe you should think on this from our point of view
imagine that, 3 or 4 months ago, a person came to you and told you: would you like to give a few game keys to me, and after a few months I will give them back to you?
you would not accept that deal, you had nothing to gain
only to loose, because the games you would give would (and did) loose value
McEngineer Phoenix Point x 2:
Hi, im searching about our game trade and i found that we trade with :- Killing Floor 2 Digital Deluxe- Little Nightmare- 60 Parsec- Kingdom Comeis it correct ?
[09:19]
cajumjoe:
https://www.steamtrades.com/trade/HcOqI/h-evergarden11-11-guacamelee-2-battletech-dlc-others-w-wishlistgame-offers/search?page=3
That might have been the second key
the first one was what you can find on the Steamtrade page:
Hi i want to offer phoenix point platinum edition for :Warhammer: End Times - VermintideDeathgarden Bloodharvest Steam GiftKingdom Come Deliverance
are you trying to return the games we gave you on the trade, 3 months ago?
have you read the "long message"?
cajumjoe:
There, I setup a group
[08:50]
McEngineer Phoenix Point x 2:
hi, it's very long message
[08:50]
cajumjoe:
this will make it easier for you to talk to everyone
of course it is
it's a complicated problem
and I didn't end typing yet
XD
[08:51]
McEngineer Phoenix Point x 2:
im already resolve some of them, just waiting them online to comunicate it
[08:52]
cajumjoe:
good to know you already resolved the problem with some of them
some of them do the same as you... they are online but showing as offline
[08:53]
McEngineer Phoenix Point x 2:
no problem, i message them, so if they read they can reply
[08:53]
cajumjoe:
fell free to do it in the group, if it's a message that applies to all of us
this way it's you - instead of me trying to update the people about the issue
The values have changed
3 to 4 months of waiting does that
And this isn't cash you traded with me
It's "goods", games
We trusted in you when we agreed to your deal
And trusted in you during our months in waiting
So now I would expect you to fulfill your side of the deal please
It's not like you got caught unprepared
I warned you, months ago, those keys would not work
I also warned you days ago, when the final keys started being sent
I also told you about the change of value in the market for the platinum / ultra version
And that deal, according to you, was not honoured from their side. Thus you should resolve the issue regarding those deals you made
But that is your problem. I'm sorry that your deal didn't came out as you planned, but that was your deal
Regarding the deals you made with the other people, it's a deal between you and those people
I'm that deal, you
I'm those deals, you are now the one that did not fulfill your side of the deal
And I get it, you are trying to cut your losses
But you had no losses
With me (and the rest of the people that got phoenix point keys), you got what you asked for, and simply didn't gave what you agreed to
You should now provide compensation to the people on our side of the deal
But that you will have to agree on with each one of us