There is no other way to do it to discourage abusers unless they set up some other system for how many refunds, or how often you get them. There are people that would buy games, idle it for cards, and return it immediately over and over again if Valve would let them. I assume they may already do some system, or will eventually for legit refunders and it might be like a 30 day lock if you get a refund, or more than 3 in a month for instance. It hurts the market economy immensely to let people get refunds after card drops with no penalty.

People that have a pattern of refunds I see no problem with making them work a little harder to get their cards to try and hold back on refunds. It's not like they are legit refund reasons. They will be gettign refunds most of the time for games they don't even install, so they have no legit reasons to get the game. It would cut out a huge market on Steam of impulse buyers, and ruin the market for those cheap "gamees for cards" games that developers are doing now. Tehree are a lot of solid games at those prices. It's not all Greenlight rubbish. So they should at least get some income for it if they are going to have them like that. Not to mention that card prices would drop to $0.04 each across the ENTIRITY of the market if this policy lets anyone get refunds after drops.

I had no luck running multiple games and getting drops from them under 2 hours. I didnt' try over 2 hours, but everything esle I ran was getting drops under 2 hours. I didn't ahve a single game that had to wait until 2 hours played to get drops.

Again, I have never gotten, nor requested a refund so I am thinking you guys are right that this may be the reason for most of us getting drops right away now. Sort of li,ke a reward for not "abusing" the system as we aren't a threat to do refunds after getting our drops on a regular basis. I assume the second any of us requests a refund we will get the 2 hour kill.

Not a bad strategy by Valve either, and good for developeprs. PRevents us wasting our time on all these cheap ass games to get refunds when we can get card drops immediately rather than having to wait 2 hours for every one. I think they should jsut give us our cards the second we run a game for the first time rather than a drop rate anyways, or when we BUY the game. Only people with a refund history should have to wait on drops for 2 hours.

OK...thanks. I am trying now with under 2 hours option and will be more patient this time and distract myself for a longer period so I can see if it works like that other topic. xD

Since I don't have any games over 2 hours already it should still work like it did for you if the 2 hour restriction is gone anyways. I got a drop idling 1 game for 15 minutes that wasn't at 2 hours yet so it should work for multiple games too.

Just for me to remember: I have 7 games running. Times are 5 at 0.7 hours. 1.3 hours, 1.6 hours.

Hmmm...wish mine worked like that. I am only getting 1 game at a time to drop.

What did you set your settings at? Idle games up to 2 hours and then individually?

I guess I will try it again and let it run up to the 2 hour mark and see.

I haven't gotten simutaneous drops idling 8 at a time in Idle Master like you did. All the games in the list show 0.7 hours played now so it defintiely didn't work for me doing several at once. I didn't get any drops in that time. :/

I am running 8 games right now with varying times under 2 hours all at the same time to test this. Only one gaem in this list has had a previous drop, which was under 2 hours too.

So I will see in about 20-30 minutes if I get multiple drops, or if it jsut keeps counting up to 2 hours.

I am using th (run all games simutaneously under 2 hours and then individually) option. Not sure what the other one is yet where they let you run them all OVER 2 hours together. I assume tha twas made for testing purposes, or do we know now that all games over 2 hours can drop at the same time now too?

I get nothing when running multiple games at once I don't think, but I want to test it because I see different...(see end of post)

IM doens't distinguish between games that are getting drops immediatley between those that need 2 hours (if any still do I don't know). I just started this after the update and it was idling Evil Pumpkin that I already get drops for without the 2 hours and it was in the 2 hour list as well as the rest.

I noticed it from playing a gift I got getting a drop right away.

I am going to try and idle one right now that I bought in the Steam store (Vertical Void)

Evil Pumkin: the Lost Halloween (20 minutes Steam Gift)
Vertigo Void (bought in steam store. No drops idling many games at one time. 0.7 hours. Running Solo: 15 minutes for drop)


ADDITIONAL NOTE: I have NEVER gotten a refund, nor asked for one if this may be a requirement.

I want to try something else...

I noticed someone else saying they got 3 drops simutaneously in another topic (http://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/groups/idlemastery/discussions/0/490124466478148873/). Then again for the second drop, but not after that. So I am going to run all games under 2 hours for awhile and see how that goes. Wonder if the change was that the LAST card drop is the only one that is limited to 2 hours now. Seems like a silly change, but I would be happy with it...lol

EDIT: I haven't gotten simutaneous drops idling 8 at a time. All the games in the list show 0.7 hours played now so it defintiely didn't work for me doing several at once. I didn't get any drops in that time.

Idle Master doesn't recognize Crystals of Time for me at all. When i ran my all games under 2 hours it didn't notice it. Even after I was done idling all my games with cards it would not recognize Crystals of Time. I have run Idle Master about 5 times all the way through getting more bundle games with cards the last couple weeks and every time it ignores Crystals of Time.

You should put 'Crystals of Time' in your thread title so more people can post here if they have this problem. I searched the forum and found your topic.

I started a topic about this too, but I just noticed yours now. Figured I would bump your topic instead of starting a new one and linking to yours...lol

I think the only way to get cards from this game is to do the unthinkable and actually play it.

It is disregarding one game in my list of games that need 2 hours still. Another it is idling, but not showing in the list. I can't figure out why, and no I don't have over 30 games running, or whatever the max is now.

One game it completely ignored and it didn't idle it at all. Crystals of Time.

Also, in the box of all the under 2 hour games idling all of them appeared that were running except one that actually was running. This was Blade Kitten. It also of course didn't show Crystals of Time either because it wasn't running at all.

No idea what the issue is. Blade Kitten I already owned some cards for it from the market, but the play time was still at 0.0 hours. Crystals of Time was at 0.0 and didn't run, but I had no cards from it previously like Blade Kitten, which I thought was why that didn't show up. :/

Great update to offer the settings last one. Fantastic tool for this stupidity of 2 hour time limits. Sadly, it seems like ti is skipping over some games still.

Could not agree more my friend. This isn't a feature that I want forced on either. When I want card drops I want card drops. I don't want to idle 2 games for 2 hours instead and save myself no time. Surprised more people aren't asking for this. I suspect people just haven't yet figured out exactly what it is doing, or weren't aware of 'Idle to Ready' beng around before this.

Don't get us wrong here either. Idle to Ready is fantastic. It saves TONS of time. THANK YOU. Saved me 100 hours already AT LEAST. That being said...

At the same time with it being incorporated into the Idle Master main program it isn't serving its purpose like it is intended. There is no reason at all to start this Idle to Ready process on 1-2 games. It isn't saving you any time. Idle Master is now forcing this on just a couple games unless you blacklist them. It shouldn't worry about that other Idle to Ready 2 hour time limit until you say it should. So there should be an option to either turn it on/off, Make it so it doesn't come on until you have say 5,10, 20+ games, or keep them as two different programs.

On top of this, Idle Master still shows it is idling a game that may already have 2 hours while not dropping any cards if there is even 1 other game with under 2 hours in it. So you may have a game that will run for 3.9 hours because ti had 1.9 hours in it before a new game gets added.With new cards being added to large libraries on a daily basis, forcing 1-2 games to idle for 2 hours before getting cards in Idle Master just isn't efficient.