Well, they don't have cards. Not all games do ;)

Weird, I don't have that issue. What games are you not being able to idle?

引用自 ←A/F↴：

Recently I've experienced few problems too:
- after idling all games for the first 2 hours the program should start idling every game seperately but it just stuck on "Next check: 00:00" with infinite loading ;
- sometimes when idling a game the program stops actually apdating idling process time and not granting me any cards as a result.
This came with the last update or what? Haven't seen lots of reports like this either.

This started happening not right after the last update. More like after the API call limitations, but I wouldn't bet they're realted.

@ Kargor: Just a case of "yeah, sometimes it screws up", it usually works fine and is really helpful.

You're doing it right, but IM's checking has been failing for me, thus not idling games individually

Close and open it, or change the Idling Behavior in the settings

people who jump in into the middle of discussion and don't read the previous posts seem to be the only ones posting here now

I mean, did you read the theories on the previous posts? Have you ever requested a refund on Steam (for the idling gamers or otherwise)?

引用自 Xven (◡ ‿ ◡ ✿)：

just found a card righrt after starting idle master and the game had 0hours playtime i'd call that confirmed

What about refund?

引用自 Ramsickle：

Sorry to say that is incorrect, there is under many circumstances Valve has refunded after the 2 hours and after card drops.

For example my friend gifted me a game, I tried playing it for over 2 hours hoping there was more to it I was missing and since it was a gift I wanted to try and get time out of it. He realized the game was broken so asked if he could get a refund I said sure go ahead. I left the cards in my inventory hoping Valve would just take the cards instead of me selling them, he got his refund and Valve never took the cards.

There is a few other games friends of mine have played that have refunded after 2 hours and had cards in which Valve allowed the refunds.

Valve was not 100% sticking to 2 hours only, this did allow people to get card drops and refund so nowhere near impossible to do.

Well, then, punish just the people who have requested refunds AFTER card drops, and have not followed the refund policy... but do not punish me, Valve. ;)

引用自 TITOMOSQUITO187：

There is no other way to do it to discourage abusers unless they set up some other system for how many refunds, or how often you get them. There are people that would buy games, idle it for cards, and return it immediately over and over again if Valve would let them. I assume they may already do some system, or will eventually for legit refunders and it might be like a 30 day lock if you get a refund, or more than 3 in a month for instance. It hurts the market economy immensely to let people get refunds after card drops with no penalty.

People that have a pattern of refunds I see no problem with making them work a little harder to get their cards to try and hold back on refunds. It's not like they are legit refund reasons. They will be gettign refunds most of the time for games they don't even install, so they have no legit reasons to get the game. It would cut out a huge market on Steam of impulse buyers, and ruin the market for those cheap "gamees for cards" games that developers are doing now. Tehree are a lot of solid games at those prices. It's not all Greenlight rubbish. So they should at least get some income for it if they are going to have them like that. Not to mention that card prices would drop to $0.04 each across the ENTIRITY of the market if this policy lets anyone get refunds after drops.

Many wrong things with your case:
- When refunds became available, you'd get cards only after 2h, thus being no more elegible for refunds, making no difference to the economy
- All my refunds were because of issues with the game and I'm being punished just the same as abusers. You can't say if the refund reasons are legit or not. You say "they" as if ppl who just refund problematic games didn't exist, or were in the same
- Refund policies allows that you request a refund even for a game that you just didn't like (as in most countries, you can give back something that's working fine, but you didn't like), as long s you respect the time they've set forth.
- Last but not least, no one wants to get refunds after drops. No one who has asked for a refund in the past has done so after drops, since it was impossible. So I'm being punished for something that maybe I could do (and I wouldn't, because I keep games just for the cards, and for the chance of getting boosters), while people who've never asked for a refund before now see an opportunity to mess up with the market in ways that previous "refund-requesters" never could.

Basically, it's a terrible move for users, for Valve and for devs.