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Agent Silver lähetti viestin:

Everyone look here, ok? Good, I've got your attention

This is a post about weapon balance. This will help largely with making better weapon suggestions appear in this thread. If you're reading this then be prepared to have a dry mouth, it's a long post.
To begin, I'm going to be building a weapon along as we go along in this post.
Firstly:

The Stock weapons are a good starting point

The Stock weapons are the most situationally useful. Stock weapons make the original role of a class when put together. To use the Stock as a starting point, look at the weapon you are trying to make, then look at the Stock weapon, and try to base what your weapon does better. If you can't base anything either your weapon needs redoing or you have created a gimmick weapon.
For this post, I will be building a Stickybomb Launcher.

Find a specific role for your weapon

Going back to the stock. Find a role that the Stock does, then make your weapon do it better.
An example would be the the Loch-n-Load. The Loch-n-Load is good for destroying buildings and the faster projectiles will make it easier to hit things, but is overall less useful for damage output against players and requires good aim to use.
Or the Loose Cannon. Its ability to double donk allows the player to deal more damage than the Grenade Launcher, but it requires good timing to use properly, and it's not so great at destroying buildings because the projectiles don't detonate on direct hits.
For my Stickybomb Launcher, I will make it able to build a quick and temporary defense effectively, but will be ineffective for sticky spam and for setting up a permanent defense.

Make sure the role you chose isn't covered by another weapon

Now to take a break from the Stock. My Stickybomb Launcher is useful for setting up a 'sticky wall' as I call it, allowing you to ward enemies away from a position and forcing them to go another way, which is something that only the Stock does effectively so far. I don't mention the Quickiebomb Launcher because its sticky bombs fizzle, meaning that a 'sticky wall' that someone sets up will likely fizzle before you get to use it.

Make sure your weapon fits a certain playstyle(s)

My Stickybomb Launcher is built for my playstyle specifically, which is to ward enemies into going in a certain direction they don't want to go, then promptly destroy them either with my team or a random crit pill that I just launched. It does not fit an offensive sticky spammy playstyle, as I don't like to use sticky spam unless I'm attempting to throw another Demoman's stickies everywhere.

If your weapon does not fit a role, you have likely created a gimmick weapon

Gimmick weapons are weapons that don't fit a specific role, but rather require a whole new playstyle to use effectively. An example would be the Backscatter. You have to sneak up on enemies as the Scout and penetrate the Heavy infront of you with mini-crits and extreme buttsex. Sneaking around isn't something the Scout does most of the time, but rather getting into the enemys' face and blasting them with his Scattergun usually killing them with the first 2-3 shots if they are accurately aimed meatshots. This makes the Backscatter a weapon that requires a whole new playstyle to use, something that isn't bad sometimes, if the weapon is crafted carefully.
The Stickybomb Launcher I have created is rather a gimmick weapon, as it requires an almost totally different playstyle to use, but it's a playstyle I use most often, so it didn't appear so to me until making this part of the post.

And finally:

Polishing and the finished product

Polish your weapon to fit the role (or playstyle) you wanted. Make it good at the role you chose, while making it less effective at another role. My Stickybomb Launcher requires a Demoman to use his stickybombs to ward enemies away from certain areas, not as an offensive stickyspam weapon like the Quickiebomb Launcher or an effective defensive weapon like the Scottish Resistance.

This is the finished Stickybomb Launcher I've crafted across this post:
(+) Instant arm time (but not so that you can stickyjump off of the air)
(+) Instant bomb charge time (for continual firing)
(+) 25% Faster firing speed
(-) Stickybombs deal 80% less damage while in the air. This penalty will decay across one second once they hit the ground.
(-) -2 Maximum stickybombs out
(-) Stickybombs fly through the air slightly slower (to compensate for the instant charge time)

And that will hopefully help you with weapon balance, maybe allowing you to create better pieces of art than you could before.
Opinions on the Stickybomb launcher are welcome, it helps me get better at this.

This is an another REALLY good message to the community members who wants to suggest a weapon.

Kafhet Thrynity lähetti viestin:

Seems like the "make a balanced weapon" will be a good debate for 2-3 pages...

You havn't speak about balancing himself' just about founding a gameplay, and player oftently found one before start thinking (cause we all have lazy dead brain)
The most important things is to consider how good is your stats and give it a weight that you have to balance with malus
Another important but harder things is to modify those value depending on what weapon you use... For example
Accuracy on pistol is better than accuracy on shotgun (for me)
Or adding damage to a rocket launcher or a sniper is more dangerous than put it on a melee
And the most hardcore stuff that you discover only after typing your sh!t is how does those multiple stuff work together, if you put extra blast radius and no damage faloff it's fucking horrible
Also what about unfair gameplay ? About newbie gameplay ?
Their is nothing really interresting in your suggestion, really...

Soz, does someone gave a sh!t to this ?

This is a REALLY good message to the community members who wants to suggest a weapon.

Loreknight lähetti viestin:

Crafting | cTF2w lähetti viestin:

Yes and no. There is a public and private verison of the Custom Weapons plugin. Both are maintained by 2 different people. We have our reasons for doing this.

Red Plumber I will post links to everything I currently use to make figure out your probems.

I was just telling him what inspirefrost told me

I have the correct (or most recent) information since I am in-charge of this.

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Red Plumber lähetti viestin:

tf2attributes.smx is broken! (Also compiling tf2attributes.sp will result in an error about some commands never being in the retail version of tf2?)

Sorry to tell you this, but the version of this mod that is provided for server owners to use is actually a few years old. Don't know why crafting does that, but he does.

Yes and no. There is a public and private verison of the Custom Weapons plugin. Both are maintained by 2 different people. We have our reasons for doing this.

Red Plumber I will post links to everything I currently use to make figure out your probems.

Kafhet Thrynity lähetti viestin:

Spade ( To Good For Comp) lähetti viestin:

If you switch teams using the urin trouble (The jarate pack for sniper) It acts as if you activate it for the team your joining so it coveres the team you were on in jarate if they were in the splash zone

That a game glitch... Wouldn't be counterable I guess

Yeah that's a game mechanic.

A Spy! lähetti viestin:

Well. I'll take a crack at something I think needs some work.

The Boston Bulldog.

Permanent overheal on a Scout while giving him a lot of health doing his bread and butter seems a bit much. What the idea seems to be is a Scout version of the Conniver's Kunai. Why don't we give it the same overheal decay as the Kunai when you Backstab?

+25% life leech that can overheal, with a cap of 200% max overheal
+Overheal decays 50% slower
-Cannot be overhealed by a medic
-20% HP penalty

The main reason reason it's "No overheal decay", becuase it would require a custom attribute and the coder couldn't 100% figure it out. I find a way to make the overheal decay to even effect overheal.

The problem the coder was having was that ANY overheal (which includes from a medic) was being slowed down, and not just from the life leech mechanic. So you can see what the problem is.

Also, the Boston Bulldog is acutally weaker to what it use to be.

A Spy! lähetti viestin:

AwesomeGuyDj lähetti viestin:

Can we get a list of all the weapons that need to be rebalanced?

Yeah, I'd like to put in my two cents, but it would be nice to know what needs the most work.

There's no list. It's just you sugguestions on weapons that might needs changes.

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Kafhet Thrynity lähetti viestin:

Here come back the old maxime

Perhaps we can throw in something like the heat meter for the Heavy Artillery Minigun. The longer you have Maxine spun up, the more vulnerability and less damage you do.

There is a planned re-work for it, how about this:

WHILE ACTIVE:
(+) No movement speed penalty while spun up
(+) +10% bonus primary ammo on wearer (NOTE: This incrases the ammo from 200 to 220... if also using the "Survival Gear", then you would have 275 ammo)
(-) 5 ammo consumed per second while spun up
(-) Cannot pick up ammo packs dropped by killed players
(-) No ammo from dispensers

(NOTE: I am unsure if this should be added) This weapon deploys & holsters 25% slower


My main idea is that this weapon is all about ammo consumption to trade for the no movement speed penalty.

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