King CHAWLZ! lähetti viestin:

On the contrary, the Prototype Punch is pretty powerful. The Sandvich is a super-powerful tool balanced by its slow consumption time and the fact that the Heavy is unlikely to escape from a fight and find time to eat, while the Scout can retreat fairly easily if he's harmed, suck down a Punch real quick, and return to the fray. This works with the reduced health kit effectiveness to force the scout to consider his positioning with regards to where he can safely take a sippy quickly rather then where he can steal the nearest medkit. It's not perfect, but it does work.

I guess your right but the other weapons I talked about either need to be removed or reworked

Remove the "Resets afterburn duration on hit" on the "Boilerbuss"
The combination of the "Afterburner" and this weapon is just not fun to play against since the "Afterburner" has longer afterburn duration and extra damage are just reseted with a single hit from across the map

Add "40% slower holster speed" to the "Improvised Imblazer"
This weapon has too much combo potential that just makes the Degreaser just a shity weapon

Cloak-a-Cola rework:
+On drink: Turn invisible for 10 seconds
-Cannot attack while under the effects
30 second charge time

This would make the scout undetected and has more flank potential for the scout but you can still be detected because you can still be bumped and shotdown unlike the Bonk! Atomic Punch that makes you invinsible but you are still detected and can be followed

Remove the "Prototype Punch"
This weapon is useless. The scout is a flanking class that has to be moving at all times, making him have t stop for 2 seconds for just full hp making him vulnerable when he could have just kept moving and picked up health packs

Remove the "Slugger's Face-Off"
Making the scout invisible to a hit using a random percentage isn't any different of a weapon that based on random crits. This weapon is also not fun to play against

Remove "The Slammer"
Lets be honest, this weapon just sucks

Remove the "25 bonus max health on wearer" on the "Mercenary's Supplies"
Making the scout; the fastest class in the game even faster makes him harder to hit but also giving him more health making him tankier is overkill

A simple change: Rename the "Mercenary's Supplies" to the "Merc's Supplies" so the name isn't as long. This is just personal prefrence but I thought it would be a good idea.

The Circuit Breaker (Scattergun):
http://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=694916564
+Can destroy projectiles
+When fully charged: Damage enemy players around you dealing 20 damage for 10 seconds
-400 damage to fully charge
-25% damage penalty
(Shoots laser bullets)

King CHAWLZ! lähetti viestin:

The Brute Force can totally work as a proper self-defence tool for a regular Demoman though, trading the danger of minicrits in teamfights or multiple-enemy scenarios for the safety of major damage resistance when a single enemy approaches you. Dunno why it has the head collection and jump-crits tbh tho.

Um are you aware of the old brute force rework? It a damage based sword that the more heads you have the more damage you deal

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KoopaKing64 lähetti viestin:

Suffering does have a good point about the brute force.
The marked death penalty does counter-act against the crit on airborne buff on the grounds that you might kill yourself by accident since switching to your melee while already having the stickies set to jump will have you take extra damage from the blast due to your mark.(except the sticky jumper)
And all for a upside that's hard to pull off due to aimming down on a single enemy and hoping the hit will land and kill them before you get yourself killed shortly after, again due to the mark.
You can make the argument that you can jump with the sticky launcher and then pull out the force and that's a good point... except the fact that the draws and sheaths slower than normal and need I remind you, it marks you when you have it out anyways while trying to to pull it off

It's true that this attribut should be given to the jumping jesopat instead of the Brute force
Giving impossible attribut to the brut force make it good on paper but useless in fact
Those two need some change, but not a total weapon rework into demoknight items

I never said that the JJ should be reworked into a demoknight sword but the Brute Force IS a demoknight weapon giving that it has a head collection attribute

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Eternal_Suffering™ lähetti viestin:

Well the brute force already crits while airborn so the marlet gardening demo is already a thing but its doest fit a sword that gives you damage vulnerability while active and tou have to take damage from sticky jumps. I suggested that it would crit while airborn because it already is a weapon based on sticky jumping unlike the brute force

Suffering does have a good point about the brute force.
The marked death penalty does counter-act against the crit on airborne buff on the grounds that you might kill yourself by accident since switching to your melee while already having the stickies set to jump will have you take extra damage from the blast due to your mark.(except the sticky jumper)
And all for a upside that's hard to pull off due to aimming down on a single enemy and hoping the hit will land and kill them before you get yourself killed shortly after, again due to the mark.
You can make the argument that you can jump with the sticky launcher and then pull out the force and that's a good point... except the fact that the draws and sheaths slower than normal and need I remind you, it marks you when you have it out anyways while trying to to pull it off

*claps*

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LegoFan9o5 lähetti viestin:

Gimmick or not, it is an overspecialized weapon that only caters to one of the many demo playstyles and it severly underutilized within the server. I've already mentioned how charging after sticky jumping is hazardous and generally inferior to a demoknight with a shield with ANY melee, so it sould be improved to make it a viable choice.

Plus the stat changes suggested by Eternal make a better sticky jumping weapon with Crits while airborn. I would use it much more frequently if it had some more power and justification behind it like that, making it's risk rewarding.

So what this weapon allows is a longer sticky jump? I'm pretty sure that the two sticky limit of the Jumper easily fufills and jumper's need, and doesn't fill the role as a utility for travel. Even with the Long Knife, even without a shield it allows a speedboost on kill, making it just as attune to escape as it is to charging AND killing.

Again, I disagree that the weapon is "overspecialized" as not only is it a melee weapon, its primary use is with the Demoman's default gear. For sure it's definitely a risky, and even sub-optimal equip at the moment, but as I said I don't think it's a problem that can't be fixed. However, I still stand by that the weapon doesn't need to be totally re-worked. I'm not quite sure at the moment what direction would be best for it but there's definitely a better way to fix the weapon then turn it into a Demoman's Market Gardener.

Well the brute force already crits while airborn so the marlet gardening demo is already a thing but its doest fit a sword that gives you damage vulnerability while active and tou have to take damage from sticky jumps. I suggested that it would crit while airborn because it already is a weapon based on sticky jumping unlike the brute force

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LegoFan9o5 lähetti viestin:

On a different weapon:

The Drunk Grail

• + On hit: Coat your enemy with jarate
  
• + Deals crits when it would normally minicrit
  
• - On miss: Piss yourself. Drunk.
  
• - 25% slower swing speed
  
• - Deals 30% less critical damage
  
• - No random critical hits

One problem.... you would only be crits when demo charging. Since it's mini-crits, then full crit at the end. So it would be criting all the time.

Yea he know its an intentional secret buff