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except the BoB (brawns over brain) doesnt completely deny your main counter.
just makes you more survival. My suggestion would probably be more cost to building.
That sounds good.

Engineer's main counters usually Demoman and Spy, and giving him 175 health allows him to survive more revolver shots and sticky spamming, so it IS a pretty big denial of your main counters...

Not to mention there's NO downsides using it and it's a direct upgrade of the stock PDA.

I'll be fine actually at any nerf at this point, just please nerf from 50 extra health to 25.

wait if its a straight upgrade does that mean its good on defense? no, because on defense you need to be able to high tail it out of there with your (hopefully) lvl 3 dispenser so you can get your sentry up in a reliable time.
You cant do that with this. Its a offensive pda thats unreliable on defense. Not being able to move buildings is a bigger deal than you would think. Edit: it also makes it difficult to keep up a lvl 3 dispenser up on an pushing payload map.

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"smart and defensive" that defeats the entire point of the pda. Its battlegineer.

I mean if the nerf was added that's what the drawback would be. At its current state the "battle Engineer" that it's trying to enforce is just a complete and total crutch. Like a DDS for Engis.

except the BoB (brawns over brain) doesnt completely deny your main counter.
just makes you more survival. My suggestion would probably be more cost to building.
That sounds good.

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I feel the thing with slower build speed is that it removes the entire point of engie, his buildings!
Even combat engie is still focused around buildings building a teleporter and dispenser near a chokepoint while also providing a presence on the battle field.
+50 health isnt that much, its when paired with the gunslinger that its a big deal.

It's called the Brawn Over Brains PDA, so no shit that it should make his buildings weaker. A slower building speed doesn't make the Engi completely useless, it just forces him to be a bit more smart and defensive if he wants his buildings up.

Also +50 health is really a lot. You can survive a headshot, two rockets from mid range, and a whole lot of other damage with 175 health. The Engineer isn't meant to tank that much damage for a reason, because his sentry does most of the fighting for him. I always hear this argument that Engineers with 175 health and a full sentry isn't that much, but if you have a really smart Engineer with good building placement, and good aim, he can do a lot of shit. It doesn't just affect Gunslinger Engis, this transcends all wrenches.

"smart and defensive" that defeats the entire point of the pda. Its battlegineer.

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but i like being a unfair battle engie :(
Engineer is also still fairly weak to most other classes. I think a building hp penalty would be better.

Not if you actually have good Shotgun aim and a mini sentry assisting you. A building health penalty alone wouldn't help really considering Mini Sentries are disposable anyway. With a building speed penalty, it's harder to set up buildings and requires you to rely less on your buildings when you need them and more your own skill. A building health penalty in conjunction with the slower build speed would work, but either way, +50 health is insane as shit.

I feel the thing with slower build speed is that it removes the entire point of engie, his buildings!
Even combat engie is still focused around buildings building a teleporter and dispenser near a chokepoint while also providing a presence on the battle field.
+50 health isnt that much, its when paired with the gunslinger that its a big deal.

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Also I would once again like to address how overpowered the Brawn Over Brains PDA is. I'd like to see a lower max health and also instead of the inability to carry buildings, a big increase in building build time. 200 HP Gunslinger Engineer is fucking insane, and this is my main class so that's really saying something.

but i like being a unfair battle engie :(
Engineer is also still fairly weak to most other classes. I think a building hp penalty would be better.

can we PLEASE remove the jingle on survival gear? its so fucking annoying

Balance for the bulldog.
Remove the life steal, decrease it to -15 hp.
Make it so every kill gives you +25 hp.
I dont know what the max would be.
Bam.
Also why was medispenser removed?

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im juist sayen it wuld be intresting to play on with a full server... with custom weapons...
http://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=454155669

I highly doubt they would do this.
They need all the players they can get and im pretty sure if an epileptic player got a epileptic attack or somethin from a custom map they probably wouldnt come bad.

Was lookin on the group channel. Some pretty cool weps that were removed are on there. (or never added)
Invis bonk looks pretty cool (INVIS BONK MAN.)

I went back and looked at medispenser, i think it could be brought back rebalanced better(dont know why it was removed in the first place)
+25% ubercharge rate
+20% ubercharge duration
healing restores 2% of their ammo every second
-20% overheal amount
-10% overheal RATE (how fast it applies)
ubercharge doubles clip size, instantly refills clip and increases firing speed(EDIT, i looked at medispenser comparison, the firing speed, oh god it would need to be toned down ALOT)

scout drink
+25% resistance
+10 hp
-10% move speed
Model: i saw the old tiki tonic looked like a can of spinach or somethin (look at the old demonstration vid), that might be good/

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when you try and upgrade it just brings up the normal screen instead of the menu. Proceed as normal mvm upgrades.

Oh ok. Well, that only happened to me once, and I don't know if the servers updated recently, so...

i played last night. It was still happening to me.