The following custom weapons will cause your player to not be able to move or be affected by knockback
Scout
Secondary: USP match
Soldier
Primary: Quickhand
Secondary: Loose screw
Pyro
Secondary: Loose screw
Melee: Crowbar, Engi's Assistant, Stunstick
Demo
Primary: Demo shotgun, Iron boots
Melee: crowbar, stunstick
Heavy
Secondary: Annabelle, shortstop, loose screw
Melee:stunstick
Engineer
Primary: loose screw, annabelle
Secondary: USP match, fast fix
Medic
melee: stunstick, engi's assistant, syringe, stunstick
Sniper
Secondary: wepon
Melee: crowbar, stunstick

I wish the people here cared about keeping current weapons fair as much as they care about throwing new unbalanced weapons into the game.
If things worked according to what they put their attention to, we would have a couple hundred poorly balanced weapons with more still being added and very few people drawing attention to the balance issues

引用自 LegoFan9o5：

引用自 Loreknight：

That means he takes half damage. Not double healing.

EQUIVALENT DOUBLE HEALING. It literally DOES mathematically work out, since healing directly will let the 50% resist effectivety doubles the healing gained.

That's why using the Black Box under the Battalian's Backup effect will not grant e20 for a direct hit, but e30 to normal enemies and e40 to sentries. Because healing directly to the health pool with a damage resistance allows allows for every single HP you gain to increase in milage significantly more than without.

This is the exact same case with healing sources and the IS resist, it effectively doubles healing when damage is halved. This does not mean literal double healing, but in terms of HP milage and equivalent HP, YES IT DOES. Now lets stop arguing about this, because it mathematically pans out to having double healing of eHP.

If it was equivalent double healing, the heavy would take normal damage and double healing
But he doesn't.
He takes half damage and normal healing.
Overhead builds just as fast
It heals normally just as fast
He takes half damage. But that doesn't equal double healing, because double healing affects battles differently than half damage.
I understand what you're trying to say, but I'm explaining that there are slight changes between half incoming damage and double incoming health

Double healing:
Faster heal
Faster overheal
Different uber rate
Takes normal damage
Can be killed by fully charge Headshots

Half damage:
Less damage
Less knockback
Takes normal healing
Can not be killed by fully charged headshots

引用自 AwesomeGuyDj：

引用自 Loreknight：

No. It doesn't. It heals at the same rate, but damage is dealt at half rate. It's an effective damage resistance, not healing increase. Yes, you can VIEW it as double healing, but that doesn't count the fact that he takes half damage. It's an effective damage mitigator, not restoration instigator

The problem wasn't the healing. It was that the heavy gained his resistance unreasonably fast, but also instantly lost it simply for the sake of repositioning. This change would make the weapon as reasonably powerful when combined with a medic as stock is. It trades complete movement control and overheal for longevity, but this longevity is harder to gain and takes less time to lose than the current iteration of this weapon. The heavy is no longer able to tank damage almost instantly after getting first shot, and will be more willing to move.

LOREKNIGHT.
He has 50% resistance. Meaning if he has 100 hp, and the rocket normally does 50 dmg (i know not real standards but, simplicity) then he has 50 hp left. With 50% resistance he takes 25, so he has 75 hp left.
This means that every single HP point is technically worth more than 1 hp point because it can take more dmg.

That means he takes half damage. Not double healing.

引用自 LegoFan9o5：

引用自 Loreknight：

It does not effectively double healing, it effectively halves incoming damage
But since there are more of you in favor of nerfing it than leaving it be, I will contribute a fair change that I actually always thought should be done

Gains its resistance slower. I'm not saying like 2% per 100 damage taken, but it's just that it charges completely from only 2 rockets. In fact, I propose a slight rework

(+) loses 3% charge per second when spun down
(-) requires 300 damage to be taken to fully charge
(This doesn't count resisted damage. Only damage that you actually take, so healing at least 1 point of health after initially taking damage would be required for you to reach full 50%)

On my previous point: YES it does heal equivalently 2x more HP. The heal rate is the same for stock Heavy as the IS Heavy. Now, at 50% less damage, you have equivalently 600 HP, even though your base HP is 300. Now, that healing factor is still at the same rate as before, thus is giving the Heavy the same healing to his base health, which would benefit from the damage resistance and effectively grant healing twice as effective as before.

On your rework: It just does not adress the issue of having that Heavy being healed and protected, having a bit of unintended spam and that resist to stack up and get us back to the same point of having a hardcounter to your hardcounter.
Plus having the Fists of Steel and the lingering defensive buff would be far too good for survival, and having it with the GRU would make that mark completely negated.

The more I think about it, the more DJ's suggestion of critical damage weakness would be a quick and effective fix to this weapon, as it does not deny the hardcounter so effectively and allows for other classes to shine in comparison to stock situations. Especially in combination with your rework, it would balance out the weapon very nicely. A Heavy primary that is a defensive alternative to stock that can combine with retreating melees, but requires some caution that movement of other miniguns can nullify and critical damage can still be an achilley's heel. Especially Demoknight to the retreating IS + FoS.

No. It doesn't. It heals at the same rate, but damage is dealt at half rate. It's an effective damage resistance, not healing increase. Yes, you can VIEW it as double healing, but that doesn't count the fact that he takes half damage. It's an effective damage mitigator, not restoration instigator

The problem wasn't the healing. It was that the heavy gained his resistance unreasonably fast, but also instantly lost it simply for the sake of repositioning. This change would make the weapon as reasonably powerful when combined with a medic as stock is. It trades complete movement control and overheal for longevity, but this longevity is harder to gain and takes less time to lose than the current iteration of this weapon. The heavy is no longer able to tank damage almost instantly after getting first shot, and will be more willing to move.

引用自 LegoFan9o5：

引用自 Loreknight：

He has a level 1 dispenser and a pocket medic. Are you seriously going to nerf it because he had 2 heal sources and because you just suck at dealing enough damage over a short time?

Well, given that this was in the high ground infront of spawn, with both heal sources protected and a solid team to protect from Spies, the Sniper's headshot would kill the heavy in any other situation, because he is a hardcounter to the Heavy. Except this one because of that damage resist that makes him have 600 eHP at all times. Even with me and DJ's combined focus on a single target as Demomen, he did not go down within both of our clips, which is on its face rediculous!

How would a player defeat the Heavy in such a situation? Snipers are too weak to survive the rest of your team, your position is cozy as heck and quickscopes deal 75 HP every time. Oh, did I mention that healing is equivalently TWICE as effective with it's effects? So yeah, no killing the Heavy with one of his more effective hardcounters!

And weapons that hardcounter your hardcounter AND still be effective at taking out other classes? Sure, leave that not nerfed, because having a defensive Heavy that literally has no downsides when at least partially aware of his surroundings is totally fair! Also on Payload, you become e600 HP, infinite ammo and 2x healing. Plus mobility and likely a team at your beckon call to take out anyone that tries to take you out.

It does not effectively double healing, it effectively halves incoming damage
But since there are more of you in favor of nerfing it than leaving it be, I will contribute a fair change that I actually always thought should be done

Gains its resistance slower. I'm not saying like 2% per 100 damage taken, but it's just that it charges completely from only 2 rockets. In fact, I propose a slight rework

(+) loses 3% charge per second when spun down
(-) requires 300 damage to be taken to fully charge
(This doesn't count resisted damage. Only damage that you actually take, so healing at least 1 point of health after initially taking damage would be required for you to reach full 50%)

引用自 sqwid：

引用自 Loreknight：

2 extra nerfs is excessive on a utility item that removes the pistol, requires buildup via primary, and only buffs the damage of the melee, a weapon which forces scout into point blank and to be easily shot

Let's not forget

1. Scout is supposed to be fighting at close range anyway

2. With random critical hits you have a chance to take out a full health Soldier and actually deal more DPS than your normal Scattergun. Also at full damage it makes your melee crit damage even more than a crit with the Scattergun!

3. 300 damage isn't hard to charge up as Scout at all

4. Scout has the best passive agility in the game so he has no trouble getting up into an opponent's face and getting a free kill off them without any effort.

Long story short I feel like this weapon should at least have no random critical hits on your melee so it isn't abused. It should be a finish off weapon to add extra damage when you're out of Scattergun ammo, not something to get a free, undeserved kill with against an enemy.

1 not THIS close

2 removing random crits is fine, but a second nerf is excessive

3 it's still the fact that he has to deal damage to even make use of the secondary

4 it's not that easy when the enemy runs around, shoots you, gets backup, etc

I'm not saying it's deserving of a nerf or buff. I'm just saying 2 nerfs is excessive for a utility that buffs melee for a short time after charging it

引用自 Thrynity：

引用自 cTF2w DannyPlaysSomeGames：

BUT

You are marked for death while it's deployed.

You are the 125 HP scout anyway
You arn't meat
That why you have more than 130% speed and doble jump
I managed to get more than 10 killstreak with the conventional
RIP snipers

I believe the damage nerf should be 67%, have 17% clipsize penalty, and 12% fire rate increase

This would be
15 damage
10 ammo
And shoots every 0.15 second

引用自 LegoFan9o5：

On the note of the Conventional: it serves as an intense "finisher" for the Scout, more lethal and dangerous to use than the Stock, but incidentely knocks out the Winger in terms of DPS and viability at range. For the loss of one of the minor utilities of the weapon, not much of a tradeoff to keep W viable.

I honestly don't know how a more intense variant of a weapon could be both good and not taking the job of an official weapon that teaters on UP for its first usage. I wish I could say "buff the winger, keep the C the same as a riskier variant", but I just can't due to the slow speed of Valve's TF2 development.

It's like the Danger Ranger to the Air Strike, even though both were vastly different in approach, they filled the same role and removed as a result. I wonder if such a perspective will do the same for the Conventional now.

The conventional rewards players that can keep their crosshairs on an enemy effectively at most ranges. The winger gives an advantage for hit and run tactics by letting you deal more damage and jump out easier, at the cost of longevity in a fight.

引用自 sqwid：

A reminder that the Melee Booster has a maximum damage output on a critical hit of 263 damage. That's pretty insane not counting the fact that Scout's swing speed on melee is extremely high. I'd like to have no random critical hits on this and maybe a damage vulnerability with melee out to make it more of a quick finishing weapon instead of a weapon you charge at foes at and getting a lucky random crit at their faces.

Also I forgot but did we talk about the Jump Action Shotgun in the Discord event?

2 extra nerfs is excessive on a utility item that removes the pistol, requires buildup via primary, and only buffs the damage of the melee, a weapon which forces scout into point blank and to be easily shot