Hey Dynamilk, thanks for updating some of the stuff I have pointed out, such as higher difficulty settings as well your promise in robots having Uber textures when they are, well, invulnerable.

I would like to ask if you guys have any plans to remove the teammate pushback, as stated in some of my suggested comments. It's quite annoying having teammates push you around when you are trying to aim towards the horse of buildings and engies, and considering that people often group up in the same spot in this gamemode, this is a big deal.

Uncletopia's version removes the pushback and it's honestly a match made in heaven. Still, thanks for all your work on this wonderful gamemode.

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All good, thanks for addressing it. The Uncletopia version is kinda fun, but the lack of difficulty options there (and the lack of third person view command) is unfortunate. So I still believe Bangerz is the better choice overall, not to mention it has a huge map variety.

This has happened before with the difficulty system a few years ago. People adapted to it, I had to keep buffing it. It was fine until the RTU system, which now, is due for another buffing.

Right now, there are some maps that benefit the current XTREME settings with RTU on, like cp_5gorge, pl_pier, and pl_upward, whilst other maps, like you mentioned, are easier, as people are now adapting (or adapted) to the RTU system.

Anyways, enough long talk, the point is: I'll buff up the difficulties soon, that's no problem on my end. Feel free to play on Uncletopia's variant in the meantime, as half its code is Bangerz code. There is a 1ku server that does have MVM upgrades, similar style to what we have, but with some quirks on some maps, as they use their own "stripper configs."

The current difficulty settings were never set to have an upgrade system in mind, as it was never an idea to have back then. Others have complained about it before, you're not the only one. It will be buffed next month.

We used to have it so that players had to vote in the RTU system, regardless of count, but due to the overwhelming desire of it, I made it automatic if it was more than 16 players. I think that now I increased the slots to 32, I could bump it up to like 21-24 players required. I'll think on that as time goes on.

90% of the maps made in the TF2 community never had the idea of having an upgrade system (obviously). That's the problem in its entirety. Because one map (cp_freaky_fair) was made for an upgrade system, while the others (MVM) revolves around it, all the other maps are easier to beat on Engineer Fortress, or if it were on a vanilla mode, EASY to beat (intensifying the easy part...)

Design-wise, Freaky Fair worked perfectly with the Upgrades System due to having specific upgrades removed for PvP combat, as well its compact and narrow layout. Getting to the last point was a challenge due to most entrances being narrow. The only open area was the middle one, which was a lot of fun since you could rack up credits to get ready for the last point.

Upgrades on open maps, while fun in theory (like Waffle House), doesn't seem to suit the Upgrade Station system too much. I still believe all of this could be resolved with harder difficulty when this mechanic is enabled.

I have also been playing the Uncletopia variant of this gamemode, and over there, there doesn't seem to be a lengthy invulnerable spawn timer for the Robot Engies. The lack of Upgrades, and having the ability to destroy them right after they leave spawn is a lot of fun. Matches take longer, but it feels very rewarding once you finally cap that last point. There is also no time limit.

I will be honest, since the inclusion of the Upgrades System, I haven't been having that much fun than I used to before, which is weird, since I always thought that Freaky Fair was a very fun map due to its Upgrade System. I believe the biggest issue has to be how quick the matches are getting due to players getting eventually stronger therefore being easier to wipe the buildings and engies.

I believe the difficulty system needs to adapt if the Upgrade Station is enabled. Every difficult should be a little harder due to it, and X-TREME needs to be a lot more difficult, as it's mostly a cake-walk after a few minutes in. I'm also not sure if the Upgrade Station should enable by itself depending on player count, even though most people would vote anyway. I always thought that a separate server with Upgrades would be the best solution, but that may split up the playerbase.

Any ideas why I crash to desktop with the new MVM mode on the server? Usually happens at the final cap, so maybe too many bots?

unfortunately no, since the required extensions does not support 64-bit.

will there be a mvm upgrades mod for engi fortress team fortress classic server

I really loved Nemu's .. thanks for being here for everyone

Ok sounds good, thanks.

Sparkly, the MVM Upgrade Station is new here. Things will get buffed out as time goes on, so it won't be a chaotic experience later on.

unfortunately, the sniper has ruined the mvm experience for the rest of the classes.

Would it possible to fix certain weapons not working when "Add even more bots" are enabled (e.g. cosmetics are disabled)? Certain weapons like Cozy Camper, Gunboats, Mantreads, Ali Baba Wee Booties (and Bootlegger), and Darwin's Danger Shield does not work, at all, the stats are not applied to the player.

Weapons like Buff Banner, Battallion's Backup and Concheror does work, and despite that they are another entity taking space, the same cannot be said to some other weapons like the two Sniper ones. I'm not sure if the entity limit should be as aggressive, as there was (or is?) a bug where if a map is extended with the Even More Bots enabled, cosmetics are returned and I rarely got a server crash.

So I think these few other weapons, which has an entity in the form of a player attachment, could be properly enabled.

Have no idea what can be wrong, unless whatever is map host blocks my connection (because im from russia). So i dont know. It does connect me to that IP, except it doesnt play gif. Cant try vpn because every server now has that vpn protection or whatever it is. Rip.

Also verify if you have access to this IP address through your internet browser: http://149.28.120.77

We do have a map downloading server. Make sure you're allowing downloads in your settings. Console commands: cl_allowdownload 1 & cl_downloadfilter all

guys you really need to set up some map downloading server so here will be no problems to download them if you dont have them.

I see. Also, I was wondering if the server could implement disabling "Teammate Collision Pushaway". Looks like the server command for it is:
sm_cvar tf_avoidteammates 0
or maybe it's
sm_cvar tf_avoidteammates_pushaway 0 (it's set to 1 right now)

I think it's more than common when you are on specific position, and some teammate just pushes you and both of you die. Now, this might be part of the gamemode, however.

yeah, that's right. there are some maps that VERY close to the entity limit, so I had no choice but to remove the action items as well as the cosmetics. if I did allow action items on those maps, the server would crash.

when valve increases the entity limit sometime in the future, if they ever do so, this won't be an issue.

The "Add even more bots" command removes Action Items alongside Cosmetic Items. Removing Action Items means it's impossible to use Potions on Freaky Fair, and I'd assume maps with spells will make them unobtainable.

Will look into the issues soon

There's seems to be some bugs related to when a map gets extended (commonly happens on Freaky Fair):
- If "Add even more bots" was voted during the first round, and succeed, the cosmetics come back after the map is extended, despite all the bots still being there;
- If a different difficult is set other than Normal during the first round, it seems the difficulty name stays, but it goes back to Normal (or a hybrid of sorts) when map gets extended. For instance, I was in a Super Easy match on Freaky Fair, and once the map extended, my health was no longer +1000 HP, but I was getting killed quickly (probably Normal mode damage), as well respawning at the same rate as Super Easy.

Good gamemode. Tons of fun! :D

I like this Mode tons of fun

Waffle House is beatable :)

If there were a small amount of players, that's mostly why. Perhaps adjust the difficulty to an easier mode next time?

Waffle House is unbeatable, the medieval mode time on Point C is way too short as not even half the team as Scouts standing on it is enough to cap it.

yo dyna, im sorry for spam man like genuinely, i didnt mean to annoy you, im sorry

waffle house is back up if y'all are viewing the comments here

Engineer Gaming

for a little while, gotta fix an issue. back up this weekend

Have you removed wafflehouse?

ay im sorry for spam or disrespect or whatever i did please unban me from the discord

Sentry ahead!

1. I DID NOT CALL YOU A HACKER SPAWNING A DISPENCER.
2. WAIT WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥!??! I WOULD NEVER BE RACIST... LIKE I WOULD NEVER BE RACIST.. AND IF DID SAY SOMTHING RACIST, MY OLDER BROTHER WHO IS 18 MIGHT OF GONE ON MY ACCOUNT AND DID THIS..
3. I did not know i was kicked and when i saw i was just kicked, i just had a relif but you decided to ban me for saying im not banned.. like, i dont want to be banned but i was never kicked from discord servers.. i did not know i was kicked...
4. i would never try to annoy people


I AM AN HONEST 15 YEAR OLD AND I AM NEVER RACIST... I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Ethan, I didn't ban you "for no reason". Your first encounter with me you claimed I was a hacker for spawning a dispenser. Dared me to kick you actually. We resolved that and then you got yourself banned from the game server for racism. You came to the discord practically demanding to be unbanned and claiming you didn't know when or why you were banned. I asked you to let me look into it. You decided to push the issue to the point that another staff member also found you annoying.

I chose to kick you from the discord so I would have some time to find out facts. You chose to rejoin, which was fine, but your first post was "wow I'm not banned!" as if you were begging for it. You got your wish, you annoyed people, lied and were a racist... GG on breaking at least 3 maybe 4 common sense rules.

i'm not a mod in the discord but i would have done the exact same as them you were almost *trying* to get banned

Plus the mods and admins already warned you multiple times to not spam, and guess what you spamed anyway

You were spamming the discord server nonstop, and annoying everyone that is why you were banned. Next time don't spam and annoy everyone to not get banned

can u unban me from both the discord and game server. also in discord raven banned me for no reason

We don't run 1000 uncles henry14357. There is a Montreal 1000 Uncles server that Uncletopia hosts. It's the closest one to America.

However, if you're really wanting a US server, try us out! Our servers are located in Virginia, and are similar to the 1000 uncles servers, but with more features!

can you make 1000 uncles run in US? (if it doesn't)
i really wanna demoknight on it

We crashed server 6 with all the bots lol

ye my bad. sometimes the server gets drunk.

Server down again?

Server down?