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New Steam Client Update, Still The Same Problems.
1. No way to turn off What's New shelf, nor even a way to move it to the bottom.
1'. What's New shelf still takes up a huge amount of height in the library display area at lower window sizes for the Steam client. This is noticeably more than 50% of the library display area height when the library is at its smallest allowed resolution (1010x600), and this also causes the next shelf below it to have its portraits cut off.
1''. What's New still not available in a much less intrusive button-to-dedicated-page form the way it's done in Big Picture Mode.

2. No way to use List View or something comparably densely-packed with information about the games in our library.
2'. No way to sort by one attribute while seeing other attributes that would have been visible in List View.
2''. No way to reverse-sort by attribute, as was possible in List View.

3. No way to turn off images in library. No plaintext display of game names in main library view.
3'. Forced vertical cover displays; no horizontal cover display version.

4. Still lags by about 7 seconds when scrolling, just to load images. Due to lack of plaintext display of game names, this means that the main library is unusable while waiting for the scrolling to resolve.

5. Main library view is still not keyboard-navigable.
5'. Left sidebar is navigable via arrow keys but the games are still not keyboard-launchable. (I suppose this aspect is a little less important since the sidebar by itself is not very useful, and Small Mode provides a keyboard-launchable list.)

6. Mouse-over still produces a slideshow of store page screenshots, only pausing the slideshow, not actually removing it entirely.

7. Small Mode still unable to uninstall games, due to requiring browser-rendered confirmation prompt page.

8. The status icon showing whether the game is installed or not is inexplicably pale and hard to see. (This probably works better if you have a lot of dark-colored game cover art, but that's way too specific for something that ought to be universal in usage.)

Do please correct me if I am wrong on any of these details. (Note that I have not addressed game detail pages because I don't even use them.)

If the above information is accurate, I would continue to suggest that users experiencing similar issues do any or any combination of the following:
* unofficial methods for manual removal of the What's New section (multiple methods available).
* launch Steam with the parameter -no-browser (which causes the entire primary llibrary UI to become blank) and just use Small Mode. Use Big Picture Mode to uninstall games. (WARNING: do not attempt an uninstall from Small Mode then go to Big Picture Mode to uninstall it; that will basically cause the uninstallation process to hang on an unresolved confirmation prompt that can't be displayed. Go straight to BPM to uninstall; it will then use its own prompt.) Added benefit of doing this is that it reverts to the old Friends List version, if you are interested in reverting that.
* use the various resources floating on the internet to revert the Steam client version to an older version and prevent it from updating past that version. (WARNING: this may result in lack of access to some games.)
* use other means to launch games, which may include but are not limited to other launchers, as desired (I personally don't care for one though).

I, personally, have been using -no-browser with Small Mode, and handling uninstalls through Big Picture Mode. Furthermore, I have been avoiding any further purchases on the Steam platform, and I will continue to avoid purchases on the Steam platform until these issues are addressed. I encourage other users experiencing similar issues to do likewise.

Edit: adding point 8.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 8 日 下午 5:04
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Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 4 月 29 日 上午 11:30 
Wanted to add:

I get that the new Steam client is supposed to allow developers to communicate more effectively to their customers. I think this is a noble goal, but the way it's currently implemented is NOT the right way to do it.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 4 月 29 日 上午 11:30
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 4:56 
New Steam Client updates introduces the Play Next shelf!

It defaults to being below my Recent Games shelf. And, ironically, out of sight, aside from that presumably one-time splash screen telling me that there's this new feature. And besides, I can turn off Play Next.

Now, why can't the What's New shelf be moved down? Why can't the What's New shelf be turned off?

As for other points:

2. Still no List View option.

3. Still no way to turn off images in library.

4. I did some more scrolling tests.

Scrolling test 1 (scrolling down about 2/3 of the way): 8.5 seconds.
Scrolling test 2 (scrolling a little further down): 4 seconds.
Scrolling test 3 (scrolling back up to about 1/3 of the way): 8 seconds.

As before, this is to load 15 game cover images.

5. Left sidebar is still not keyboard-launchable, and also navigating to any game arrow keys causes the game detail page to load, which may be laggy.

6. Mouse over still produces slideshow and only pauses it after one image.

7. Small Mode still cannot natively uninstall games due to uninstall prompt placed in main Library browser-rendered page.



Conclusion: the Steam Library is still not up to snuff, and I will continue to use -no-browser as a launch parameter and also continue to boycott all purchases on Steam.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 5 月 14 日 下午 5:00
Amt 2020 年 5 月 15 日 上午 10:40 
There's something else that can be a huge problem that I don't think you have added here: unintentional spoilers by friends.

The new library, as it is now, exposes you to achievements and screenshots posted by your friends even without you scrolling down the page. That can be a big downer if you are playing a story rich game, or playing a detective type game where you haven't come to the point where the culprit reveals himself / herself yet.
It's worth noting that one PAID Steam / Valve for the game, yet they ALLOW you to get exposed to spoilers. To me, it feels a bit like buying a movie ticket and the guy you show the ticket to just talks loudly of what happens in the movie that you, the customer, just paid money to go watch. If that happened in real life, I probably wouldn't go to that place again.

As far as I know, only small mode gets rid of potential spoilers like that, but that has its own list of problems.
最后由 Amt 编辑于; 2020 年 5 月 15 日 上午 10:50
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 5 月 15 日 下午 2:54 
That is a very important consideration.

I would try to include more concerns but given that this isn't a collaborative-editing wiki but rather a list that I'd need to maintain myself I'd just end up with a ton of stuff I might not be the best person to check. Since I don't use the game detail page, I'd easily be missing relevant details when monitoring these details.

So, it might be best if you maintain your own list of concerns with the Steam client. That way, you can also keep them updated much more closely -- which is something I'm trying to do here too.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 5 月 15 日 下午 2:56
There were two updates in over the past several days, so let us re-examine the state of the Steam client right now.

1. There's still no way to turn off the What's New Shelf. Nor some sort of dedicated page that I can visit or toggle display of.

Also I've noticed that there is a thing explaining that games that you haven't played in a while and also haven't played more than a couple hours of get excluded from this. Rather than having Steam decide what's important to us, it would be better if we can tell it what games we want to see updates for, and what games we don't want to see updates for, directly.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see no setting that gives me anything comparable to List View that was available before the October 2019 update.

3. I also see no way to turn off images in the Library.

4. Image loading speed has improved somewhat; it now takes about 4 seconds to load 15 images, rather than 7 seconds.

Though even if the images load faster, the games are still splayed out across big cover art pieces -- this makes information density sadly low, in contrast to the spreadsheet-like List View.

5. Main library view is still not keyboard-navigable. Sidebar is keyboard navigable but still not keyboard-launchable.

The main part of the window essentially functions like a webpage with lots of interactable elements, but you can't tab to any of them. All you can do is scroll the page up and down. In the sidebar you can highlight individual games but you still can't launch them.

6. The pointless screenshot slideshow is still there.

7. Uninstallation in Small Mode is still routed through a confirmation prompt that's a browser-rendered page.

I should add one more thing:

8. Install status icon is still stupidly pale.
Machine Gunn Eddie 2020 年 6 月 9 日 上午 4:00 
This new UI part of full social parts but important NO, like friends achivements or screenshots pop up your page,no comment for new shelf but home button(who's idea just ty for ruin) kill detail view

Older client nice program but new client only basic browser

Know a dumb user too good coded program vs. basic web based client valve (ohh i forget everyone like downgrades this age)
最后由 Machine Gunn Eddie 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 9 日 上午 4:16
Acubens 2020 年 6 月 9 日 上午 9:29 
I would be happy if they only fixed Uninstall in Smallmode on rightclick... But agree completely with OP
springacres 2020 年 6 月 9 日 下午 9:15 
I would be happy if only Steam allowed me to customize the parts of the new UI that don't work for me - in particular, the new font they use for the games library. Something about the combination of that font and its default text color strains my eyes. Small Mode has the old, clean font that doesn't hurt my eyes (as does Community, currently - thank goodness for that!) You'd think they could have let us choose something small like that, especially when the client is calling both font types.
greenraven22 2020 年 6 月 9 日 下午 10:09 
引用自 springacres
I would be happy if only Steam allowed me to customize the parts of the new UI that don't work for me - in particular, the new font they use for the games library. Something about the combination of that font and its default text color strains my eyes. Small Mode has the old, clean font that doesn't hurt my eyes (as does Community, currently - thank goodness for that!) You'd think they could have let us choose something small like that, especially when the client is calling both font types.

This whole UI is mismatched and misshapen. It feels like a social experiment to try and teach monkeys how to program. This is the end result.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 7 月 29 日 上午 8:12 
There have been a number of updates since I last posted, including one just today, so let's do a quick check again.

N.B. these are updates to the main client. I'm not using the beta.

1. Still no option to turn off What's New.
1'. ...or to resize it. Still takes up an obnoxious amount of space at minimum resolution.
https://i.postimg.cc/FzCkCWLV/steamclient-2020-07-29.png
1''. And the weirdest thing is, if I switch on "Only show updates and not other types of events and news", all the What's New entries disappeared...and another entirely different update appeared. And even more strangely, switching it back off caused...only some of the original entries to reappear.

In short, What's New is bugged as hell anyway.

2. Still no List View.
2'. Still no way to reverse-sort by any sortable attribute.
2''. Still no way to see other attributes while sorting by one attribute.

3. Still no way to turn off images and just browse an all-text library.
3'. Nor is there a way to use horizontal cover art, but I basically don't care for cover art anyway, so whatever.

4. The scrolling lag, to load 15 game cover arts, is around 3 to 5 seconds now.

5. Main Library area still not keyboard navigable.
5'. Sidebar keyboard navigable with up/down arrow keys but not keyboard launchable.
5''. It's also stupidly laggy because it keeps trying to load the game pages. STOP TRYING TO LOAD WEBPAGES FOR EVERYTHING. WE DON'T NEED WEBPAGES FOR EVERYTHING.

6. Mouse-over still produces a slideshow of store page screenshots, only pausing the slideshow, not actually removing it entirely.

7. Small Mode still unable to uninstall games, due to requiring browser-rendered confirmation prompt page.

8. The status icon showing whether the game is installed or not is still ridiculously pale and hard to see.

Conclusion: Steam has made no noticeable progress toward a more usable UI. I will continue my boycott and continue encouraging others to do the same.
Tuknar 2020 年 7 月 29 日 下午 2:07 
Small mode solves your New Library problem I believe
MoogleMcGee 2020 年 7 月 29 日 下午 5:08 
引用自 Tuknar
Small mode solves your New Library problem I believe

Small mode solves nothing because it doesn't add anything of value. Small mode isn't List View, Small mode is Small mode. This is list view: https://preview.redd.it/zi2ezbb6osx11.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=7b6259d4001632ae5f21c20083bf98c1a98ee934
springacres 2020 年 7 月 29 日 下午 7:25 
引用自 MoogleMcGee
Small mode solves nothing because it doesn't add anything of value. Small mode isn't List View, Small mode is Small mode. This is list view: https://preview.redd.it/zi2ezbb6osx11.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=7b6259d4001632ae5f21c20083bf98c1a98ee934
And it isn't the old detail view either, which is what *I* really want back. And I still can't customize fonts to make the new library view less headache inducing, because I'm on a Mac and the Mac client has no real support for skins.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 7 月 29 日 下午 7:43 
引用自 Tuknar
Small mode solves your New Library problem I believe
I'm currently using Small Mode, but...
* It offers no sorting options, the way List View did.
* It does not show other attributes of the games, the way List View did.
* It is unable to uninstall games.
最后由 Quint the Alligator Snapper 编辑于; 2020 年 7 月 29 日 下午 7:43
Acubens 2020 年 7 月 30 日 下午 6:36 
They actually made a REGRESS:

Now, with -no-browser, it's eating from the start almost 300 mb instead of the usual 50 mb

Agree 100% with OP
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