Joined to group and spotted many ponyfags here. What's wrong with that group?

hi i just joined

Although I've never been called a "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" but I do get called "gay" for having long hair and "nerd" for liking yu gi oh, star trek, and reading. So basically, I know your pain.

Not dead, I just forgot about it for a bit lololol! I also don't really see a reason to keep this group. It's got a nice view of things but I don't really see the point of it when we can't do anything about ze ponyfags.

Group's dead, yet didn't evaporated from my groups' list, when i left majority of them. I felt rather affinitive towards this group's very notion and kept it.

Welp Groups' dead suprise suprise

Everyone out of the pool

Lol Brison you're in the wrong place

This is where angry people let ou their frustrations in a calm and ordely manner

It's also where people are wrong all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time

The group owner is in the group "Bronies trolling Anti-Bronies", yet runs an anti-bro *cough* ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ group?

I'm Non-Brony, but i like some pony content and i don't like damn pony-♥♥♥♥
Also hi Velancious.

Best reasonable anti-brony/Brony group i've ever seen. Bravo.

Hey guys Im bringing this back

And when I say deluded, I mean deluded, as in, they have absolutely no clue as to what reality is because they fill their head with magic beliefs. My sister still denies that rainbows are reflections of light and think that God summons hurricanes to kill gay people.

It's this kind of sick, twisted ideology that shows how easy it is to corrupt and 'stupify' the human brain. We are incredibly easy to trick it's not even funny (especially when we're young, we are empty slates just ready to be written on by whatever our parents think to be true).

I respect people's rights to believe what they want to believe though, but that still doesn't make them right, nor does it make them smart. A smart, open-minded person always asks questions and won't deny answers if they're proven.

@|WSG-FOSA| Krazy (Decoy/Medic)

Normally, I would defend myself there, but Dr. Greg said everything I was about to say and relieved me of the trouble of doing so. You really just made yourself come in here and look like an idiot though.

There are many reasons why I am a devout anti-theist, but I really don't care about if people believe in Gods or not. In my view, I'm just trying to protect people from religious abuse. I'm not here to ruin anybody's fun nor am I here to 'spread' ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lies and propaganda. Anything I've ever said on this subject is backed by science and/or reason.

@Dr. Greg

They're not exactly "stupid" persay, it's that religion dumbs down knowledge by making the universe already seem 'solved'. Some even want the Bible put in schools and try to justify that because this is a Christian nation, we should do what they say.

Religious people are just deluded and some outright deny science (like my family).

Plus, if he kicks you, it wouldn't really matter since you don't care about the group, no? I mean, you "don't really give a ♥♥♥♥ about this group," right? Protip: do some background checks before you start making accusations. It'll make you look like less of an idiot in the long run. :)

@Krazy

If you read closely, you'd notice that there is no real confliction here. As I see it, Velancious believes Christians are stupid because their religious thought processes destroy any sort of cognitive thinking and/or learning. While I do not particularly agree with it, he never said they were stupid because they believed in a deity. YOU need to read your own posts before you post them.

Second off, Velancious was not the original owner of this group. A guy named ThatIrishSob previously made it and gave him officer status. ThatIrishSob also made the description you read when you made that post. He left after a while, so Velancious was given authority as leader. Don't believe me? Go to the first page of the group history and read it yourself.

With that being said, Velancious is not a hypocrite because those are not his own words.

Someone like me

And if you kick me, the you're just wasting your on time, truthfully I only joined to post these comments, I don't really give a ♥♥♥♥ about this group, I mean it has good intentions of getting rid of the dark side of the MLP fanbase, but I can't stand you, your rules say "No hating on any form of groups, this includes: Furries, Bronies, Anti-Bronies, Homosexuals, etc." and you have the nerve to insult all religons, and specify Christians too, you are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and you should hand leadership to someone who knows what they're doing, and you leave the group until you can learn to not be a hippocrit, don't say that you aren't a hypocrite, because you made the rules, and you break them a little while later, and that's a pretty good example of what a hypocrite does.

@Velancious

You said:
"I never said I believed that anyone who believes in a higher power is an idiot."

But before that you said:
"The Christians only interpret it the way they want because they're stupid."

Does anyone else see how stupid this is? I mean really? Oh uh durrr I didn't call anyone an idiot, but christians are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid!

And don't try to get me with that "I didn't say idiot, I said stupid" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they both mean the same thing.

So next time, read your past posts before you post a new one that is related to them.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/48mw/

The reason why I despise religion is because it gives people this fake sense of happiness and basically gives them this idea to not search for knowledge, that knowledge has already been found. It makes us regret our lives by thinking humanity is evil, hoping we can redeem ourselves by making it to some promised paradise after death.

If what I'm saying is offensive, then that means you have let the belief take control of you. Religion, again, is like a mental virus. It disables cognitive thinknig when it feels threatened. I have experienced this myself under religious influence and have seen it happen in many other people I have debated with.

I'll add you if you want to talk about it later. Let us keep the comment section free from arguments.

I never said I believed that anyone who believes in a higher power is an idiot. I never really blamed people, did I? I blame religion for poisoning and destroying the minds of humanity. Humans are not that bad as a lot of religions make us out to be. Religions make it so we cannot live without them, for if we do, the fear of a higher power is gone.

But that IS not the case when we have our morality to go by. Our morality keeps us from killing each other. Religion REMOVES this barrier by saying it is alright.

Now religion isn't the only problem. Nationalism (or better put; "My country is better"), is also killing us as a whole.

I don't want to be a total ♥♥♥♥, but it just seems like you might be a little...extreme when it comes to your beleifs. I'm not trying to force religion on you, but if you would like to have an intelligent conversation (or rage at me), just message me.

Not liking religion is fine, but if your philosophy is to mark anyone who beleives in ANY higher power as a moron, you are, again, no better than the very people you detest. It's a complete double standard. Velancious, you also seem to be the poster child for everything this group is AGAINST, like instigating conflict. How you became an admin is beyond my grasp of understanding.

It's fine, best of luck with your family situation!

I've been too busy lately to be able to respond to you, Velancious. I don't think I'll be able to continue this anytime soon because of my current situation family wise, so I'll simply stop with this. Have fun, I suppose.

Oh...and uhh...I don't believe in the whole love and tolerance thing... Everything has an acceptable level of tolerance before it must be removed from society. For example: how religion destroys cognitive thought processes of human beings. At first it is tolerable, but until you realize that: "they are much more evasive and hidden deep down in our thought processes."

@Malcolm Reynolds

It's hard not to be a ♥♥♥♥ about something that is going to end up with humanity killing each other. It's like some kind of hidden virus that will trigger at that right moment, just waiting to kill us all at the right time. Yeah, sure it doesn't harm nearly as many people as it used to, but it remains a threat.

This is why governments like in the U.S. were made secular. Our forefathers here were smart enough to realize they would try to make the U.S. into a theocracy.

And I'm not just saying that because I see them as evil.... No, they are much more evasive and hidden deep down in our thought processes.

Let me put up a quick demonstration of a specific society and how religion funnels rational thinking:

Society 1: Kids are blamed to be witches for causing floods and other natural disasters. For this, they are burned, executed, and worse because of this fear.

This belief was an assumption based on ignorance.

Society 2: Men are only allowed to have an education. Women in the society claim to be fine with it. Normally, this is overlooked, but if you think about it; the fact that the women DON'T have an education and that they are fine with it means they are definitely being abused by the society they're in. If they had only gotten an education, they'd see that there is no real reason why they were kept from one.

This suddenly reverses the issue where we thought there was no problem to a major one.

@Totalitarian Proletariat

First of all, I was just arguing for the sake of argument. I find believing in a religion makes you a weak person. I never said believing in anything makes you weak, because everyone has some sort of belief.

I denounce them because this is an issue that should've died years ago. I may sound hostile, but my intentions are for humanity to "wake the ♥♥♥♥ up, deal with reality, and let's make PROGRESS".

Have you ever heard that a person's belief tells you already about who they are? People's constructions of a religious God in their mind creates this ego-centered complex that they won't let go. Scientists have demonstrated that they watched many Christian's brain waves during an experiment and that whenever asked what God would do or want, they would use the part of the brain that controls THEIR thoughts (conscience) to answer the questions.

It amazes me how much knowledge is overlooked these days. These 'belief systems' have really done damage on our minds.

Velancious, It's fine for you to not agree with people who have a religion, but by denouncing EVERYONE who beleives in ANYTHING as a moron makes you no better than the sociopaths at Westboro Baptist Church. For being a brony, you sure aren't so great at this whole 'love and toleration' thing. If you don't accept people for who they are, things will never, ever get better.

Are you aware of the Egyptian god "Horus"? He was one of the many Egyptian gods from 3,000 B.C. Here's the funny thing about him; he was copied off of by many other "savior-like gods"; many of these you might have heard of like Krishna, Mithra, and Dionysus.

Read this and tell me if something is fishy here:

Horus: Born on December 25th, born of a virgin whose name started with an M, birth was accompained by a star in the east, he was adorned by 3 kings who adorned the 'newborn' savior, he was a teacher at 12, he was baptized at 30, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water, he was known by many names like "Lamb of God", "The Light", etc, was betrayed and crucified, dead for 3 days, and then resurrected.

Many other 'savior' gods from many other cultures followed this pattern. The most recent one we know is Jesus.

When I said morality is man-made, I meant that it literally comes from human nature, just like you said. I feel we have no argument here, for I also think alike on this issue.

Again, morality is just an advanced way of thought put in place by evolution so we don't kill each other off.

With the whole "Christians speaking to God thing", I'd have to then believe all the people who say they saw a ghost or aliens too. Sure, they might not be crazy, but throughout all my experience of trying to contact God; he doesn't exist. It seems to me people just make up that voice in their head and then ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it all the way through to keep believing. You'd be surprised what people would go through to keep believing in a religion.

First off, I could just go on and on about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and immoral that whole heaven and hell system is, but I'll just switch to another topic.

Personal opinions? What about actual evidence vs. ignorant opinions? That's all I see in the war with science vs. religion. Science just finds stuff out about the world, and religious people choose whatever they want to deny to stay happy. I noticed there are some religious people that think that without their religion, they could not live happy lives. Even worse, some even say that they would kill/steal if a God didn't exist. It's make life scary to be around such pyschotic people that are only held by the belief that they are always being watched by a God.

When I say mentally lazy, I'm referring to people who would rather believe all the mysteries in our universe/world are all already solved by their religion, and do not wish to explore it. A pity, really. The universe is the biggest mystery of all.

@Dr. Greg

The most likely option here I see happening is #4 as we do not have hard proof that any of the other three happen. Of course there is always a chance for this.

I think the 4th option would be the best option personally. Except that you are missing something I feel is necessary to point out. When you die, you would not even know it. What I'm saying is, your existence dies with your brain. Our brain gives us self awareness; it builds up who we are. Have you ever heard people say life builds character? It does. Humans become more and more self-aware of their own existence as an individual as they age.

The crucifixion was to allow a more easy way for Christians to reach God, in a sense. The route Jesus setup for Christians to repent was through him. By taking on the punishment for sin in the world via crucifixion, he allowed for Christians to have the same relationships with God that are seen today. Basically, it set a way for them in Heaven. The same sort of mentality seen today.

However, I cannot explain why those who do not follow him are thrown into Purgatory or Hell. Basically, it's the main reason I choose to be agnostic.

Heh, is that what is now? Smart people wishing to take advantage of beings with lower intelligence? Such classifications would imply some as a superior group of people and otherrs as an inferior group of people. A grouping like that is no more different than the superioristic feelings of racists when it comes to minority races.

Basically put, both sides have their major flaws, hence why I choose to stay in between when dealing with such a topic.

First off, my friends who happened to be Christians have claimed themselves that they've spoken with God. I can assure you they are not schizophrenic. The way they depicted such an encounter was not as a blinding light magnificently entering the room they were praying in, but rather a distant voice to which they talked with. And this wasn't a one time ordeal as well. While such a voice has not reached me when I've attempted, I can again assure you my friends are not schizophrenic.

Second off, I asked you about the crucifixion for a good reason. The implication behind it is greater than you'd think. Read it from an existentialist point of view rather than its intended point of view. Through such a type of reading, this will be seen as a list of probable events versus absolute truth.

The contradictions you describe come from the Old Testament. What is followed now by today's Christian population is the New Testament (or rather the first 5 books of it).

The second confliction I see is a more cliche one, yet still a problem nonetheless.

Another way I've seen morality being depicted is as a way to help ensure mankind's advancement and survival. One way of ensuring such survival is biodiversity. With biodiversity, no one race can rise up and empower all the other ones present. If all the different races of people today are around the same number, then everything is seen as fine.

However, I'm sure you are aware of the booming asian population today. In order for moral law to be applicable here, humanity would need to quell the asian people by simply eradicating a good portion of them. Yet what stops us from attempting such a genocide? Would humanity not have biodiversity again and threats of asian control be diminished? By not killing this overpopulated area to a more "standard" number, are we doing something seen as truly unmoral? Surely the long term benefits would outweigh the short term pains.

Obviously, both events seem far-fetched. So where could morality originated from? It's simple: human nature.

While we are taught by our own parents to see what is right and wrong, we ultimately determine what is right or wrong in our own heads.

Not expressing human nature is perceived as wrong. Morality is deemed as expression of human nature, so it is commonly practiced. However, another thing that can be argued as human nature is racism. As humans, we have an innate disposition to favor those who look like us and to treat those who do not look like us with hostility. In such a case, it could be morally permissible - or even morally obligatory - to be racist. Obviously, racism is looked down upon today, yet does that mean it goes against morality? That is one conflict I see with using morality as a guiding force.

"Morality is something that is arbitrary, made up by intelligent beings so we don't kill each other off."

You seem to love referencing morality in all of this. However, I do not believe it to have been man-made. Before you deem me a lunatic, I'll explain why.

Let's assume you and I are looking upon a world where moral law does not exist. A state of anarchy is present in the entire world. The only people you can trust are the ones in your "gang" or "tribe". Otherwise, everyone else is basically out to get you. This is the life style that people have accepted as truth and will not change. Now, let's introduce your intelligent beings with the ideas of moral law. There are two possible events occurring from these ideas being introduced:

1. The ideas are accepted as fact and the world slowly turns into a more moral place over time as such concepts are spread.

2. They are killed for attempting to induce such changes.

>mentally lazy, ignorant, and stupid

What you just mentioned there was the three different stereotypes set against American citizens. While they are not completely true, they are also not completely false. Our society is based around convenience for the individual. Inventions are made to provide such convenience. Basically put, these objects allow us to think or work less because they do it for us. People of religious background are not the only ones at fault for such characteristics.

Even with such ideas being implemented into young ones' minds, we live in a society where personal opinion is stressed vigorously. Everyone should have a say in the matter, and should feel free to express why they see it like that. When such discussions occur, clashes between opinions are bound to happen. A fight (either verbal or physical depending on where you grew up) ensues about who is right. Afterwards, some of the opinions remain unchanged. However, others may see it differently. Opinions change like stop signals at an intersection when young kids are involved.

Well, here's how I see it then. In the most general of senses, there are four possible events that can occur after one dies:

1. He is sent into a Heaven or Hell depending on whether they followed a deity

2. He is reincarnated as another being.

3. He becomes a spirit left to wander this world

4. He enters a subconscious state and basically becomes dirt.

In my honest opinion, these all sound like bad ways to die. Even if it does seem like a false hope, the idea of a Heaven does not sound so bad when in comparison. I suppose it gives a false sense of security to those in need of it.

The way I've seen Christians deny science is that it does not explain how the universe was made. For the most part, they wouldn't deny that gravity exists or that we breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide. Science is used to discover the truths behind this world. Again, the only instance I've seen Christians deny that being true is when scientists explain how the world was made.

@Velancious

Think of it in a more overall perspective here. Again, I did agree that 6,000 is a truly greater number than one or ten. However, you must also see that 6,000 is a puny number when compared to the actual number of bronies present today (or even when the survey was conducted). The same kind of feeling when 1 is compared to 6,000 is exhibited. Until the second survey comes in, this will probably just be a stalemate.

And, I'm sure we both want to have a change of topic for the time being.

My question back to you is: Why would it matter? The rest of the book is complete garbage and so is this part. What I mean is, the entire story of Jesus was taken from earlier religions/cultures and copied over entirely. Look it up and you'll see what I mean.

And lessons behind it? What lessons? He sacrificed himself so he did not have to punish us eternally...which he did to begin with. It's a paradox and it's a confusing system that doesn't even make sense. There is still evil in the world; basically put, nothing has changed.

If I was a smart person who wanted to take advantage of people, I would only need to make up some sort of outlandish story for stupid and weak people to believe. Do you see the connection here?

@Dr. Greg

"However, the way you approached the Bible was different from other Christians I've talked to. The Bible is more or less a guidebook to strengthening the relationship between a Christian and God."

All the Bible teachings are contradictory to itself. Ten Commandments say "Don't kill", but then later on God makes exceptions to homosexuals...non-believers....unruly kids, etc. Morality is definitely absent in this book.

Praying doesn't ever do anything and the Bible who claim God has talked to them are nuts that have schizophrenia. Many pastors/priests have some form of mental illness that developed out of their religion (and that's not to say all of them are).

"The story of the crucifixion is what defines Christianity as a truly unique religion. I'm curious as to how such an event was depicted to you. I'd like to know everything you were taught about such an event. What it was, the lessons behind it, the implications of such an event occurring, EVERYTHING."

Their flawed morality comes in the form of stupidity and ignorance. Their intellectual laziness hampers science and society by a whole, and are becoming more and more a threat to it as we discover new technology.

@ThatIrishSOB

You think the Bible promotes good morals and ethics? Or is it the people who interpret it do that? You think taking an unruly child and stoning him is moral? Or killing men who lie with other men? The Bible is very general on this kind of stuff.

If we followed its word exactly, we might as well kill off 95% of the world. The Bible IS NOT a book by which any morality should be based off. The Christians only interpret it the way they want because they're stupid. Most Christians I know believe in the Heaven/Hell system which is immoral as ♥♥♥♥.

They are happy believing in a God knowing he will eternally torture billions of people who don't believe in him or don't worship him the right way. That is immoral.

Ok, I was gone for a bit, let me continue:

I think believing in a deity because a book said so and trusting it is mentally LAZY, ignorant, and stupid. No God in their right mind would make a book like the Bible to conform to such a stupidity.

I define all of that as immoral. Morality is defined from the individual and this is evidenced by what each believe: the serial killer, the KKK member, and the Christian. This should be a scary thought and it is. Morality is something that is arbitrary, made up by intelligent beings so we don't kill each other off.

All three of those people I mentioned have flawed moralities, but would agree/disagree on certain things quite easily. For instance, the serial killer would kill anyone he wants; the KKK member might want to just kill Jews/black people/non-Christians.

The Christian will definitely not support any of this killings, but will support a hateful book like the Bible as being the perfect book for morality.

This is a question with many answers, but the most common one deserves a huge explanation: They were brainwashed by their parents. Parents have this aura of trust around them (so to speak) when around their kids; they expect their kids to trust in their judgement and their kids have no one else to trust but them. In this way, this can be thought of as they take advantage of their kids knowing nothing of this world to implement their ideas into their small skulls.

I never compared them in such a sense. What I meant by the comparison was that they might believe they are right, when in a sense they can be wrong. Believing in a deity doesn't mean your entire afterlife is chosen for you. However, most of the people in the world still believe that sort of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I do depict what Christians do is 'immoral' because not just are they worshipping a being that is portrayed in the Bible as some form of butcher, but they are willfully ignorant and many deny science, even though it has brought us out of that bronze age.

What has religion done? Provided promises, threatened us with baseless claims acting like it's some sort of deity talking to us, and then given us a questionable set of morals. For instance, Christians like my Dad will still defend how God said it was ok to stone unruly children.

They will defend it to their last breath because they have it made up in their minds that whatever the Bible says is true. Why?

@Dr. Greg

Bronies only get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ when people expand that minority into the blatant majority. They feel offended because the person is directly or indirectly assaulting them with verbal insults. It's like if I said all Christians are bad people; they aren't, and I don't believe they are. A minority use the religion especially in a way I dislike.

And I've mentioned this before. Surveys produce much, much, better results than a personal opinion from a random person you know over the internet. I'd trust that small survey basically, over a random brony hater for obvious reasons.

Here is my personal opinion on religion. And Christianity. In my own opinion, I could care less whether there is a god, the fact is, that books like the Bible promote good morals and ethics. If everyone followed the Bible the world would be a better place, simple as that. I have an unfavorable view towards Christians or religious people who try to force their religion on you. I have an even more unfavorable view towards aithiests who slander religion and try to pass laws to outlaw religion in the public arena.

However, such repentance is a good portion as to why I'm hesistant twoards such a topic. I'd give it a good 45%.

There is one last thing I wish to cover before I end this. The story of the crucifixion is what defines Christianity as a truly unique religion. I'm curious as to how such an event was depicted to you. I'd like to know everything you were taught about such an event. What it was, the lessons behind it, the implications of such an event occurring, EVERYTHING. It will help me show you why I am agnostic if you explain how such a story was introduced to you.