Purchasing on Steam
Can someone explain to me why we have all these precautions like steam wallet pending, 7 day item trade bans, steam guard for selling even 20 cent items, 15 day holds for changing mobile app, or a password, but if you have money on your steam wallet you can spend 1000 euros with 1 click, no steam guard necessary or ANYTHING.

Scams happen, and I literally feel unsafe having larger amounts of money in my Steam Wallet.
Please start requiring Steam Guard for Purchases and remove "Pending" it's braindead
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datCookie 10 月 30 日 下午 5:29 
Blame people who hijack Steam accounts and then also blame those stupid enough to fall for the scams those hijackers do.

That's literally it.
Zaskar 10 月 30 日 下午 5:30 
If you feel unsafe having money in your Steam wallet then don't, it's that simple.
引用自 datCookie
Blame people who hijack Steam accounts and then also blame those stupid enough to fall for the scams those hijackers do.

That's literally it.

Fair point, but steam having all these mitigations, yet I constantly have people telling me they get scammed. Not for much, usually about 10$ worth of CS cases, but it's INSANE to me that with all the preventions in place, there is nothing stopping a hijacker from spending 2000$ on your account the second he logs on, and there is NO WAY to get it back
引用自 Zaskar
If you feel unsafe having money in your Steam wallet then don't, it's that simple.
It literally just isn't that simple. If I could transfer it back to my CC and use my CC to buy anything I might need later it would be that simple, but it's not
Crazy Tiger 10 月 30 日 下午 5:36 
引用自 datCookie
Blame people who hijack Steam accounts and then also blame those stupid enough to fall for the scams those hijackers do.

That's literally it.

Fair point, but steam having all these mitigations, yet I constantly have people telling me they get scammed. Not for much, usually about 10$ worth of CS cases, but it's INSANE to me that with all the preventions in place, there is nothing stopping a hijacker from spending 2000$ on your account the second he logs on, and there is NO WAY to get it back
People need to go out of their way to get hijacked. It's also always the responsibility of the account owner.

The problem is PEBCAK, which you can't fix.
Chompman 10 月 30 日 下午 5:40 
引用自 Zaskar
If you feel unsafe having money in your Steam wallet then don't, it's that simple.
It literally just isn't that simple. If I could transfer it back to my CC and use my CC to buy anything I might need later it would be that simple, but it's not
This could result in money laundering and fraud and it's why steam does not allow you to take the money back.

If you secure your account properly people cannot access it.
引用自 Crazy Tiger

Fair point, but steam having all these mitigations, yet I constantly have people telling me they get scammed. Not for much, usually about 10$ worth of CS cases, but it's INSANE to me that with all the preventions in place, there is nothing stopping a hijacker from spending 2000$ on your account the second he logs on, and there is NO WAY to get it back
People need to go out of their way to get hijacked. It's also always the responsibility of the account owner.

The problem is PEBCAK, which you can't fix.
I understand your point, but they are trying to mitigate losses when it does happen to users, in the form of many many holds or different kinds. I'm not saying remove them, even though they are annoying at times, but it feels like having to use steam guard (on accounts using it) would be a much simpler and more effective solution. Don't you think?
引用自 Chompman
It literally just isn't that simple. If I could transfer it back to my CC and use my CC to buy anything I might need later it would be that simple, but it's not
This could result in money laundering and fraud and it's why steam does not allow you to take the money back.

If you secure your account properly people cannot access it.
I never said it should be a thing, I'm saying it's not "simple" the way this guy made it out to be
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 10 月 30 日 下午 5:47 
Transferring the mobile app correctly only has 2 day holds for the following 2 days. You disabled and re-enabled it on the new device which triggered the 15 day restriction.

Changing your password does not restrict your account at all. However, resetting it will.

Those are you own doing and were easily avoidable.

:nkCool:
最后由 cSg|mc-Hotsauce 编辑于; 10 月 30 日 下午 5:51
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
Transferring the mobile app correctly only has 2 day holds for the following 2 days. You disabled and re-enabled it on the new device which triggered the 15 day restriction.

Changing your password does not restrict your account at all. However, resetting it will.

Those are you own doing.

:nkCool:
I'm.. aware?
What does that have to do with what I posted about?
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 10 月 30 日 下午 5:51 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
Transferring the mobile app correctly only has 2 day holds for the following 2 days. You disabled and re-enabled it on the new device which triggered the 15 day restriction.

Changing your password does not restrict your account at all. However, resetting it will.

Those are you own doing.

:nkCool:
I'm.. aware?
What does that have to do with what I posted about?

Don't blame Valve for your own missteps.

:nkCool:
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
I'm.. aware?
What does that have to do with what I posted about?

Don't blame Valve for your own missteps.

:nkCool:
You are missing the point so badly that I'm not even sure if you are trolling
引用自 Zaskar
If you feel unsafe having money in your Steam wallet then don't, it's that simple.
It literally just isn't that simple. If I could transfer it back to my CC and use my CC to buy anything I might need later it would be that simple, but it's not
Wouldn't being able to transfer money out of your wallet increase risk? The account is as safe as the account holder, you may not feel safe due to normally being irresponsible where as I do not have that issue.
Crazy Tiger 10 月 31 日 上午 1:25 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
People need to go out of their way to get hijacked. It's also always the responsibility of the account owner.

The problem is PEBCAK, which you can't fix.
I understand your point, but they are trying to mitigate losses when it does happen to users, in the form of many many holds or different kinds. I'm not saying remove them, even though they are annoying at times, but it feels like having to use steam guard (on accounts using it) would be a much simpler and more effective solution. Don't you think?
No, I think it's a bandaid that does nothing. The problem is users who get their accounts hijacked in the first place, you can't fix that problem even if you put a thousands security hurdles.
x 10 月 31 日 上午 2:41 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
People need to go out of their way to get hijacked. It's also always the responsibility of the account owner.

The problem is PEBCAK, which you can't fix.
I understand your point, but they are trying to mitigate losses when it does happen to users, in the form of many many holds or different kinds. I'm not saying remove them, even though they are annoying at times, but it feels like having to use steam guard (on accounts using it) would be a much simpler and more effective solution. Don't you think?

Most hacking is not done by exploiting "technical" issues. It's done by exploiting human nature. Most top companies (and not just top companies) have incredibly hard to get to systems on the technical side and it's mostly human "error" that allows hackers in (including insider employee errors that lead to security breaches). Some years ago there was a photo of a US nuclear facility (I believe in Hawaii) and the codes to some of the systems were on show on the photo were some post it notes glues on the monitor screen with some codes...
Hijacking accounts is mostly done by actually getting to the person's user and password, hacking their email and changing passwords. We use easy passwords. We save the passwords in browsers, write then down in wordpad or on the phone, use unsafe password managers. We also (sometimes) use "unsafe" dodgy software from a dodgy source. I absolutely don't save any passwords in any browser. I have a password manager (not on the computer). Also, never use Single Sign On from any form.
The most famous hacker of all times is probably Kevin Mitnick. He himself has clearly stated "People, Not Technology, Weakest Security Link". Yes, companies can have 300 hurdles to prevent fraud. Too little, systems get borked and accounts stolen. Too much and people will complain about. But most of all, it's down to the user. We want easy access to stuff, so getting an account can't be too hard or we just don't do it. Companies are trying to authenticate accounts with personal IDs, credit cards and whatnot and everyone is unhappy about it. I'm not saying I support it, but that is just an example. Too much "security" and everyone gets unhappy about it. By large, most systems have 2 factor ID now and that is about as much as it can be without being too intrusive. Catch 22.
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