I think giving it back and just leave the US going back to Europe isn't a feasible solution.

And we should give it back to the natives?

yes

Where should we non native americans all go then? Back to Europe?

not the problem of the native americans all things considered

if you go across the world to murder native peoples to steal their land then thats the risk you take, natives are not obliged to find a solution for you once you are pushed out

I always see people say it's stolen and we should give it back, but they never elaborate further...

what is there to elaborate? do you think the owner of a home is obliged to give the thief and murderer a new home or solution?

For example my family immigrated to the U.S. from Germany in the 1830's, should we go back to Germany then, with all the millions of others who are descendants of immigrants?

the natives dont care where you go after your leave their land, neither should they

Thoughts?

all native peoples deserve to have their land back considering they materially depend on that land and are therefor extremely materialy deprived without it

How come we never hear this rhetoric in relation to the Spanish colonies, or any other colonial power besides Britain really. Besides, I am sure Turkey doesn't want to vacate all of its land an move to Turkmenistan or Japan giving Hokkaido to the Ainu.

Oprindeligt skrevet af steven1mac:

How come we never hear this rhetoric in relation to the Spanish colonies, or any other colonial power besides Britain really.

it's probably the same, it's just that people talk more about the us

All land was stolen from the dinosaurs.

all do dna test.

and have them move back to where they belong, if you are mayority german, than for you german..

for others it will be other nations

at the same time we should kick all those migrants out that arrived here in europe since the 1960s... making space for you all.

Anyone to claim has all died.

Oprindeligt skrevet af HermitTheMissleToad:

And we should give it back to the natives? Where should we non native americans all go then? Back to Europe?
I always see people say it's stolen and we should give it back, but they never elaborate further...
For example my family immigrated to the U.S. from Germany in the 1830's, should we go back to Germany then, with all the millions of others who are descendants of immigrants? :CuriousHen:
Thoughts?

All land has been stolen from someone else.

Native Americans were stealing it from each other long before it was stolen from them.

Most people don't care to learn about the land itself and how Native Americans savagely killed each other, so Europeans just fall on the sword, but no one has ever truly owned the land.

did the Lion steal Africa from the gazelle?

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lunar Fang:

Oprindeligt skrevet af HermitTheMissleToad:

And we should give it back to the natives? Where should we non native americans all go then? Back to Europe?
I always see people say it's stolen and we should give it back, but they never elaborate further...
For example my family immigrated to the U.S. from Germany in the 1830's, should we go back to Germany then, with all the millions of others who are descendants of immigrants? :CuriousHen:
Thoughts?

All land has been stolen from someone else.

Native Americans were stealing it from each other long before it was stolen from them.

Most people don't care to learn about the land itself and how Native Americans savagely killed each other, so Europeans just fall on the sword, but no one has ever truly owned the land.

what a nothing burger argument

framing minor native tribe confrontations as its own form of settler colonialism to justify the complete and total destruction of the native americans and the subsequent land theft is such a deranged talking point its insane

its like framing lebensraum as valid because ukranians and russians were in some minor conflict with eachother prior to german colonialism

There's no natives left.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wild Child:

There's no natives left.

there are and their children are still presently materially in deficit because of settler colonialism

Oprindeligt skrevet af 76561198088409502:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wild Child:

There's no natives left.

there are and their children are still presently materially in deficit because of settler colonialism

Show us them.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lunar Fang:

Wiping out entire tribes for their land isn't okay because you're a rival tribe.

i never said that it is?

I know in your virtue signaling psychosis you think it's okay,

you are the one bringing up semantic intertribal conflicts as some gotcha argument on how the land stolen by white american settlers isnt actually stolen

but killing other humans because you want the land they live on isn't okay under an circumstances.

you dont say!