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Stakanov (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 2:57
The U.S. Is About to Face a Massive Humiliation...
Honestly, this whole situation is insane. The U.S. troops are pretending to prepare for some kind of strike on Venezuela, but everyone knows nothing will happen. Trump is completely cornered at this point. The United States is absolutely powerless here, and attacking Venezuela would be suicide.

Sure, the average American won’t understand that, but the era of the “world’s number one superpower” is over. Trump is bluffing like a clown, and Maduro obviously didn’t bite. Now it’s getting extremely embarrassing.

Give it two weeks and we’ll probably hear something like:
“We made HUGE progress, I talked to Maduro, very nice guy…”
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SNAP 12 月 4 日 下午 3:04 
...

What?
DoomsDay 12 月 4 日 下午 3:17 
I dont really understand politic, I should try to fact check,
should I apply what I believe to be the function of a government or god, there may not be as many governmental body and god out there.

but they have lots of governments,the conclusion from this is, government is just a institution people make when lots of them share the same language and look, they have no function,

and try to imagine this, that I am a political leader, I want to pose control on the people over my side of border, do I seize their land by force, or do I trick their people into believing they have their own government to listen to?neither of these two approaches is without backfire.

the situation in Venezuela could be a similar one like Russia is now having with Ukraine, the attempt is to get the USA opinion out of way, out of sight depending on how well USA handles this potential conflict in Venezuela, and this is only from political respective alone, either to ride the wave or go under it, its clear the water isnt safe, they must have lots going, because I feel this isnt sentiment alone.
最后由 DoomsDay 编辑于; 23 小时以前
They can push around Venezuela but I'd like to see them push around China for example. See what happens if you sit around like a coward blowing up fisherman and migrants etc. in their waters.

Edited to add: It's unfortunate that so many Latin American nations are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for the United States. Maybe it'd be healthy for the power imbalance on the planet if a bunch of Latin American nations got together to form some alliance against the USA.

I believe the OP's angle is entirely irrelevant to much of what I say though and their angle is just some contrarian Putin cheerleader angle.

Russia is part of the global problem also, to a lesser extent compared to the US but still part of the problem. Same with China, again to a far lesser extent.
最后由 Disgruntled Cuttlefish 编辑于; 12 月 4 日 下午 3:31
Trump's entire MO, for the entirety of his public life, has been style/performance over substance. He built on the fortune his daddy left him by plastering his name on everything that didn't move fast enough and leveraging debt from failed enterprises (Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump University, six casinos, etc) to try to maintain the ventures that were halfway successful (some real estate development and The Apprentice).

His career has always been a masterclass in carnival barking. He makes a ton of noise, gets the crowd completely stirred up, and then blames someone else when his promises fail to materialize while assuring onlookers that "Trump is a winner; it's these losers over here that have failed Trump!"

Venezuela was meant to be a walkover because--on a 1:1 military basis--we'd dog walk them any day of the week with enough leash to spare for a neighbor or two.

But that's not what Trump wanted. He wanted Maduro to capitulate in order to prop up his (Trump's) strongman image.

If we do invade Venezuela, the conventional military conflict will be a "battle" in the loosest sense of the term. Taking and holding territory--particularly in the interior of the country--will be a different story, but dismantling Venezuela's conventional military structure will be swift and determinant.

But we're unlikely to do that. Trump wanted a show, didn't get it, and now like every other carpetbagger who came before him he needs to direct the crowd onto something new.
Hapless 12 月 4 日 下午 3:37 
Not as humiliating as failing to take Kiev and been run out of the black sea.
Stakanov (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 3:47 
引用自 An Irate Walrus
Trump's entire MO, for the entirety of his public life, has been style/performance over substance. He built on the fortune his daddy left him by plastering his name on everything that didn't move fast enough and leveraging debt from failed enterprises (Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump University, six casinos, etc) to try to maintain the ventures that were halfway successful (some real estate development and The Apprentice).

His career has always been a masterclass in carnival barking. He makes a ton of noise, gets the crowd completely stirred up, and then blames someone else when his promises fail to materialize while assuring onlookers that "Trump is a winner; it's these losers over here that have failed Trump!"

Venezuela was meant to be a walkover because--on a 1:1 military basis--we'd dog walk them any day of the week with enough leash to spare for a neighbor or two.

But that's not what Trump wanted. He wanted Maduro to capitulate in order to prop up his (Trump's) strongman image.

If we do invade Venezuela, the conventional military conflict will be a "battle" in the loosest sense of the term. Taking and holding territory--particularly in the interior of the country--will be a different story, but dismantling Venezuela's conventional military structure will be swift and determinant.

But we're unlikely to do that. Trump wanted a show, didn't get it, and now like every other carpetbagger who came before him he needs to direct the crowd onto something new.

I don’t want to break your narrative too hard, but Venezuela isn’t made of cardboard.
The U.S. military has taken losses in countries with no real army, just sandals and AK-47s. Venezuela is a large country, heavily prepared, and its soldiers aren’t inferior to U.S. troops in any meaningful way.

A quick strike would require a massive U.S. force, and a long-term occupation would be completely unsustainable. Taking territory isn’t the same as holding it, especially in terrain worse than Vietnam. And unlike the Vietnam era, the political pressure today would explode the moment U.S. casualties rise.

Trump expected Maduro to fold under threats. He didn’t. That’s the real failure here.
Zogtar 12 月 4 日 下午 3:48 
Hope he and Pete check the Hague out, it's pretty cool! They might even get to wear shiny bracelets.
Stakanov (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 3:56 
引用自 Hapless
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All that money burned, all those weapons dumped into this conflict, and in the end Russia still advances. :lukasLaugh:
引用自 Stakanov
引用自 An Irate Walrus
Trump's entire MO, for the entirety of his public life, has been style/performance over substance. He built on the fortune his daddy left him by plastering his name on everything that didn't move fast enough and leveraging debt from failed enterprises (Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump University, six casinos, etc) to try to maintain the ventures that were halfway successful (some real estate development and The Apprentice).

His career has always been a masterclass in carnival barking. He makes a ton of noise, gets the crowd completely stirred up, and then blames someone else when his promises fail to materialize while assuring onlookers that "Trump is a winner; it's these losers over here that have failed Trump!"

Venezuela was meant to be a walkover because--on a 1:1 military basis--we'd dog walk them any day of the week with enough leash to spare for a neighbor or two.

But that's not what Trump wanted. He wanted Maduro to capitulate in order to prop up his (Trump's) strongman image.

If we do invade Venezuela, the conventional military conflict will be a "battle" in the loosest sense of the term. Taking and holding territory--particularly in the interior of the country--will be a different story, but dismantling Venezuela's conventional military structure will be swift and determinant.

But we're unlikely to do that. Trump wanted a show, didn't get it, and now like every other carpetbagger who came before him he needs to direct the crowd onto something new.

I don’t want to break your narrative too hard, but Venezuela isn’t made of cardboard.
The U.S. military has taken losses in countries with no real army, just sandals and AK-47s. Venezuela is a large country, heavily prepared, and its soldiers aren’t inferior to U.S. troops in any meaningful way.

A quick strike would require a massive U.S. force, and a long-term occupation would be completely unsustainable. Taking territory isn’t the same as holding it, especially in terrain worse than Vietnam. And unlike the Vietnam era, the political pressure today would explode the moment U.S. casualties rise.

Trump expected Maduro to fold under threats. He didn’t. That’s the real failure here.

How's that special military operation working out for Putin, my man? Nearly four years in, and you don't even control the Donbas.

Embarrassing.
Clone303 12 月 4 日 下午 4:05 
USA vote 2 times for Trump, it was already a embarrassed the first time X3 USA Destroyed USA
Stakanov (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 4:13 
引用自 An Irate Walrus
引用自 Stakanov

I don’t want to break your narrative too hard, but Venezuela isn’t made of cardboard.
The U.S. military has taken losses in countries with no real army, just sandals and AK-47s. Venezuela is a large country, heavily prepared, and its soldiers aren’t inferior to U.S. troops in any meaningful way.

A quick strike would require a massive U.S. force, and a long-term occupation would be completely unsustainable. Taking territory isn’t the same as holding it, especially in terrain worse than Vietnam. And unlike the Vietnam era, the political pressure today would explode the moment U.S. casualties rise.

Trump expected Maduro to fold under threats. He didn’t. That’s the real failure here.

How's that special military operation working out for Putin, my man? Nearly four years in, and you don't even control the Donbas.

Embarrassing.

It’s progressing. It’s a war of attrition, and in that kind of conflict the dynamic is slow by nature. I know that’s hard for an American mindset, which tends to expect everything to look like a decisive, fast, cinematic strike. But Russia’s objective hasn’t been territorial expansion for its own sake. The goal has been to neutralize the Ukrainian military and the huge quantity of Western equipment sent there.

Ukraine isn’t fighting alone; it’s a modern army trained, supplied, and supported by multiple NATO countries. The U.S. has never dealt with that kind of opponent directly. Even in conflicts against much weaker forces, the results were far from clean.. Vietnam is the obvious example, where superior equipment didn’t prevent defeat. And in Afghanistan, the withdrawal speaks for itself.

This is exactly why nothing will happen in Venezuela. An invasion would become unsustainable extremely quickly. Casualties, terrain, and political pressure would make it collapse long before any of the expected goals could be reached.
Hapless 12 月 4 日 下午 4:17 
引用自 Stakanov
引用自 Hapless
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All that money burned, all those weapons dumped into this conflict, and in the end Russia still advances. :lukasLaugh:

At the cost of the entire economy, a million men, loss of the black sea fleet, demoted to 2nd rate power and Still stuck in the donbas.
Stakanov (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 4:24 
引用自 Hapless
引用自 Stakanov

All that money burned, all those weapons dumped into this conflict, and in the end Russia still advances. :lukasLaugh:

At the cost of the entire economy, a million men, loss of the black sea fleet, demoted to 2nd rate power and Still stuck in the donbas.

If this narrative helps you stay positive about the situation, then fair enough. Everyone copes in their own way.
Hapless 12 月 4 日 下午 4:30 
引用自 Stakanov
引用自 Hapless

At the cost of the entire economy, a million men, loss of the black sea fleet, demoted to 2nd rate power and Still stuck in the donbas.

If this narrative helps you stay positive about the situation, then fair enough. Everyone copes in their own way.

Yes some people cope by spamming nonsense threads to deflect from reality.
miakisfan 12 月 4 日 下午 4:32 
引用自 Stakanov
Honestly, this whole situation is insane. The U.S. troops are pretending to prepare for some kind of strike on Venezuela, but everyone knows nothing will happen. Trump is completely cornered at this point. The United States is absolutely powerless here, and attacking Venezuela would be suicide.

Sure, the average American won’t understand that, but the era of the “world’s number one superpower” is over. Trump is bluffing like a clown, and Maduro obviously didn’t bite. Now it’s getting extremely embarrassing.

Give it two weeks and we’ll probably hear something like:
“We made HUGE progress, I talked to Maduro, very nice guy…”

This is what some people say just before Trump sticks his foot up someone's ass.

No everyone gets the pretend to be nice treatment.

Besides, he was being nice to Momdani for a few reasons. One is he will be mayor of New York City regardless of how ignorant it is. The people of New York will end up suffering for this. The ones that stay, that is.

The other is because eventually Momdani will learn the hard way that communism and socialism have been failed economic systems for centuries if not longer. Younger people need to learn the hard way on many occasions.

All that said, if Momdani comes begging for money I suspect he will be getting the fickle finger of fate from the Trump Administration. That will be the quickest ay to enlightenment for that twit.
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