They say numbers don't lie, but if the numbers came from china, you can bet your ass they're lies

Posturing is china's national sport but they can barely build a functioning elevator so.. USA USA

If China went to war with the United States, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and other countries would support them, and we would be toast.

War right now US, war 10-20 years from now, China unless the economy collapses during that time. Right now they can produce more ships than the US, and find ways of getting free weapons technology. If war ever happened both sides will quickly lose their fleets and ship building capacity within a couple months of the war.

China Wins economically and tactically but its not yet ready/able to take NATO on.

if the US leaves NATO (which is the "plan"") and then stood toe to toe with the China alone , im not sure who id bet on.

Define "wins"

Again, like I post in all of these threads only to have ti ignored. There is no "winning" at this point. The US with absolute certainty has had exotic weapons and means of influence / leverage for the last 70 years. These are things that are never talked about but are well established in the grey literature and historical record. Russia has similar, China.... probably also does, that's less clear. Conventional warfare is over.

引用自 trash nyan：

They say numbers don't lie, but if the numbers came from china, you can bet your ass they're lies

Posturing is china's national sport but they can barely build a functioning elevator so.. USA USA

No sir, US war gaming has it China as a victory every time. The Pentagon acknowledges that it won't be easy in the long war with China. Casualties will be into unacceptable levels according to US department of defense.

The best thing for all parties is not to play that game. It will not end well for all parties.

Chinese ppl are quite resilient and have far surpassed the west in a lot of areas (my two cents, not cut in stone just some thoughts). I therefore think that it could be quite likely they could win.

China would lose.

Obviously *at least* at a significant cost to the US, although I shouldn't need to include this.

If nukes are involved nobody wins, so this is automatically assuming no nuclear weapons are involved. I shouldn't need to include this either.

This is also automatically not implying anything about any invasion, just like it'd be idiotic to imply China would ever invade USA, it'd also be idiotic to imply the opposite. I shouldn't need to include this "disclaimer" though also.

引用自 Tröjan：

Chinese ppl are quite resilient and have far surpassed the west in a lot of areas (my two cents, not cut in stone just some thoughts). I therefore think that it could be quite likely they could win.

They don't have nearly the amount of recent experience though, not that it's a good look on the United States and it's all their own fault still.

probably the U.S. I mean Chinese soldiers? I think I've said enough

The US would rinse chinas temu military.

China couldn't even reach the US to be a threat. It's ICBMs would be intercepted on route. And the US has a larger economy. The score wouldn't even be close.

More specifics needed. Do you mean a war over Taiwan?

op never specified what the competition was, everyone just assumed war.

i think its usa vs china at a jaffa cake eating competition

In a conventional war? Well it really depends. The United States already has a lot of military bases in South Korea and Japan. It will take more effort for China to come to us and destroy infrastructure than the other way around.

If we can destroy main roads and railways then supplies will be thinned out. And considering most major cities in China is near the coast like Beijing and Shanghai then targeting those cities will be easy if we can secure air superiority.

Me personally I don’t like war and I’m unsure what we are fighting for.