done and done

Oprindeligt skrevet af agu:

done and done

good

I thought AI was making coding less relevant, but it's still useful to know even if it's just for personal use. I use it for some math that can take a long time to do manually.

I cut my teeth of Spectrum Basic and fortran.

meh, ive zero interest in coding.

However, its a useful skill.

Try it, if it interests you, dont, if like me, it doesn't.

Oprindeligt skrevet af seisuisol⚡:

I thought AI was making coding less relevant, but it's still useful to know even if it's just for personal use. I use it for some math that can take a long time to do manually.

no. it's made coding easier. which is even more reason to learn now. there's still a window of opportunity of about 20 years where job demand for coding is still astronomical. and it's also easier to learn now. so it's the best possible time to learn.

Oprindeligt skrevet af -OrLoK- Слава Україн:

I cut my teeth of Spectrum Basic and fortran.

meh, ive zero interest in coding.

However, its a useful skill.

Try it, if it interests you, dont, if like me, it doesn't.

yeah if you dislike enough that it would make you unhappy to do it or a living then of course this doesn't apply to you (or if you just already have a 150k salary doing something else).

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Oprindeligt skrevet af seisuisol⚡:

I thought AI was making coding less relevant, but it's still useful to know even if it's just for personal use. I use it for some math that can take a long time to do manually.

no. it's made coding easier. which is even more reason to learn now.

I mean for jobs, since it's harder for tech people to keep jobs now.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af comicprodigy:

no. it's made coding easier. which is even more reason to learn now.

I mean for jobs, since it's harder for tech people to keep jobs now.

there are multiple studies that show that ai has not reduced job demand for tech. it will eventually but not for awhile. worst case 10 years, best case 20 years. and the salaries in tech are insane, so you should take advantage of it: levels.fyi. also if you're already in tech when the ai reaches a point that it can truly autonomously build entire systems (it's not even close to that), you'll just convert to being an architect or product manager. there will still be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of jobs for people who are like 'managers' of ai, who can look at the system an ai builds and determine if it needs to be modied, adjusted, etc. AI is just LLMS right now it's not a true thinking machine.

at present, ai's coding capabilities generally have made coding 10-15% faster. its greatest capability is building a first (but incomplete) draft of a small app from scratch, but 99% of coding is building or modifying large systems, and it's nowhere near the ability to do that, simply because large systems have too many hyper-specific design choices that are unique to that business, and LLM's generalize from public code repos. LLM's might not ever be able to do that autonomously.

Lol easier,

You mean you dont have to read any of the source material your self. And just hope that the code the ai gives you works.

Ive never seen someone "vibe code" a actual good project. It always falls apart at the end.

I tried using ai and it was basically useless at coding, does pretty good as a teaching aide and doesnt get to annoyed if you ask it a million dumb questions.

It can be especially useful for helping me understand why a block of code doesnt do what I think it should do.

Oprindeligt skrevet af peon:

Lol easier,

You mean you dont have to read any of the source material your self. And just hope that the code the ai gives you works.

Ive never seen someone "vibe code" a actual good project. It always falls apart at the end.

I tried using ai and it was basically useless at coding, does pretty good as a teaching aide and doesnt get to annoyed if you ask it a million dumb questions.

no, mostly ide tools that autocomplete (much) better than before. coding is more enjoyable now because when you're doing the boring stuff like updating code it can predict other places (only in the same file, currently) that need a similar update. autocomplete has existed for a long time, but LLM's are really good at it.

Oprindeligt skrevet af peon:

Lol easier,

You mean you dont have to read any of the source material your self. And just hope that the code the ai gives you works.

Ive never seen someone "vibe code" a actual good project. It always falls apart at the end.

I tried using ai and it was basically useless at coding, does pretty good as a teaching aide and doesnt get to annoyed if you ask it a million dumb questions.

vibe coding is interesting though. i've seen some of the tools. they aren't really ready yet, but they look exciting. but even then you still need a human driving and they're not building large or complex systems and it will still be developer-intensive even when/if the human isn't modifying every single line of code.

print("Have a wonderful day, everyone!")

a side-benefit is that if you know how to code you can act on your own app ideas when they occur to you.

A few years back giving that advice on twitter was seen as harassment. lol

Oprindeligt skrevet af TGC> The Games Collector:

A few years back giving that advice on twitter was seen as harassment. lol

well yeah because it was a passive agressive jab at those huffpo workers who got laid off. (err, buzzfeed)