JUSTICE FOR TUVIX

but also i like tuvok so...i guess it was for the best.

Yes, she murdered Tuvix, which is a big part of the end of that episode. She knows what she's doing, she hates that she's doing it, but she also needs both of her crew members back. She has a way to do that and as a Captain, made the decision that was best for her crew.

I remember an episode in TNG, when Troy is going for the Commanders test/exam and keeps getting stuck on the engineering section of it. The solution turned out to be that she needed to have what it takes to order a crew member to their death, if it meant saving the ship and everyone else on it.

The situation with Tuvix wasn't as extreme, but Janeway knew she needed Tuvok back for him being head of Security and Neelix back for his morale boosting efforts and relations with different species.

I needn't remind you that Neelix's recipes were all terrible.

引用自 DarkCrystalMethod：

I needn't remind you that Neelix's recipes were all terrible.

"Salt! Simple Salt! That's what it was missing!"

Yeah, maybe you're onto something.

The only argument to be had is whether or not it's an act of defense in the name of Neelix and Tuvok, or if Neelix or Tuvok are effectively "dead" the moment Tuvix was formed.

A case can be made that killing somebody in the name of defense of self and others is not per-se murder, as there is an ethical justification for it (whereas the distinction with murder is that it is an inherently wrongful killing by definition[webstersdictionary1828.com])

am i a bad person if i kind of dislike neelix? what if things went awry during the separation and only tuvok survived?

"oh god, neelix! oh no..."

*slowly scrapes into airlock*

引用自 datCookie：

Janeway knew she needed Tuvok back for him being head of Security and Neelix back for his morale boosting efforts and relations with different species.

Couldn't Tuvix have substituted for both those roles? There wasn't any reason he couldn't, he had the knowledge of both individuals.

引用自 Tonepoet：

The only argument to be had is whether or not it's an act of defense in the name of Neelix and Tuvok, or if Neelix or Tuvok are effectively "dead" the moment Tuvix was formed.

I guess, if there's a way to bring them back, they're not really "dead" are they?

引用自 salamander：

am i a bad person if i kind of dislike neelix? what if things went awry during the separation and only tuvok survived?

"oh god, neelix! oh no..."

*slowly scrapes into airlock*

No. You're not. He's my least favorite character. The only time I liked him TBH was when he got that reality check on his optimism when he died momentarily and found out there's no tree.

That might make me a bad person though, so maybe I'm not the one to ask. 🤷

引用自 Chaosolous：

引用自 datCookie：

Janeway knew she needed Tuvok back for him being head of Security and Neelix back for his morale boosting efforts and relations with different species.

Couldn't Tuvix have substituted for both those roles? There wasn't any reason he couldn't, he had the knowledge of both individuals.

He had the knowledge of both individuals, but wasn't the person these people had come to love as part of the crew. And although apparently he was integrating, it was necessary to have the two original crew members back.

There would have been no way for him to fill the roles of both Tuvok and Neelix, one being head of security and the other a morale and liason officer with new species. Not to mention the issue of the relationship between Neelix and Kes.

I think Picard would have done everything he could to convince Tuvix to willingly die.

Sisko would have just done it without asking. Cold and efficiently.

Kirk would save his friends without question. He would let Tuvix know that it was a matter of duty and honor .

I'm not sure what Archer would do.

Janeway did the right thing. Tuvix became sus when he didn't die honorably. Something either of his halves would have done.

Every time youre transported you are killed, copied, n put back togwther. So the ethical solution is to beam tuviz once to get him in pattern buffer, then seperate the pattern buffer into neelix and tuvok and tuvix also gets to live

引用自 HypersleepyNaputunia：

Every time youre transported you are killed, copied, n put back togwther. So the ethical solution is to beam tuviz once to get him in pattern buffer, then seperate the pattern buffer into neelix and tuvok and tuvix also gets to live

big brain post

but maybe neelix could still just go work on a different crew or something.

Did the creation of Tuvix murder Neelix and Tuvok?

引用自 HypersleepyNaputunia：

Every time youre transported you are killed, copied, n put back togwther. So the ethical solution is to beam tuviz once to get him in pattern buffer, then seperate the pattern buffer into neelix and tuvok and tuvix also gets to live

so wait - Tuvix exists every time Neelix and Tuvok transport together? Fascinating...

引用自 Talby：

Did the creation of Tuvix murder Neelix and Tuvok?

Not sure I follow the logic. Are you implying Tuvix was a criminal for existing?

It wouldn't have been Tuvix's fault even if Neelix and Tuvok did die. He didn't murder them. He didn't even exist until they "died".

That's like asking if a baby murdered their mother because the mom dies during childbirth.