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Impact of humans on nature and the idea that we are an evil on this planet.
For decades now, I've seen humans disparage humanity, claiming that we're a scourge, a virus, a danger. Evil bringers of death, the destroyers of nature. Oh, how we destroy "nature" and how we "wipe out species" and "ruin eco systems" and pollute everything.

But, my friends, we are nature. Therefore, everything we do, create and cause are just an extension of nature, by our hands.

Think about it, e.g. animal activists will claim we're evil because we either intentionally or inadvertently caused the extinction of a species, plant, natural habitat etc. They genuinely seem to believe that this makes us more evil than animals, or "mother nature" (however you'd like to call natural forces) .. they also often seem to talk as if nature has always been in this equilibrium, where all the species had just the perfect conditions to survive and thrive until humans showed up and ruined it all.

They ignore that trillions of animal species, plants etc have died out because of the over consumption, hunting etc of other species. They ignore that a single degree change can cause the extinction of an entire species. They ignore that almost all species were initially "invasive" species. That trillions of species died out because of "natural causes" and "natural disasters" .. meteors, countless climate change cycles, new species, new evolutions of hunters or prey.

A lion doesn't give a F when it's ripping the azwhole of a rhino, then proceeds to rip the animal to pieces, bit by bit, as it slowly, painfully dies a horrific death. A lion isn't going to care when it's eating the last living Rhino .. only humans care about such stuff. We are the only ones with concepts of morality and enough intelligence to sometimes stop our own gluttony or even suffer hunger for one winter just so we don't die from hunger next winter..

So why are so many people so convinced we're this evil? You know why global warming matters? Not because "mother nature" gives a f .. nature will spawn 10 billion new species that are better at handling heat, all the species that can evolve and adapt will. Nature doesn't give a f. Global warming is bad, my friends, because we know, we will not be able to evolve and even if we can survive it the harm it would do to our species would be so bad that we're rightfully collectively getting more and more worried about it. If the world was populated by cows, they wouldn't give a f that their farts are going to cause their extinction.

The beauty of humanity is that we seem to be able to create solutions for basically any problem if given enough time and resources. It's why I do believe that we should limit carbon output, but we should do so smartly. Like why the f are we attacking farmers and forcing taxes, costs etc on them when everyone is driving gas? When electricity prices are skyrocketing making electric cars less feasible? When corpos are pumping 10000x more into the air? During a time food prices have already sky rocketed?

I believe we can fix almost anything we ruin. We can remove the carbon from our skies, we can cool down our world or warm it up. We will eventually control the climate, the winds, the waters, just like Gods. But we will deny godhood. We can, if we want, already create new species. We can create and or even modify our selves to be far superior, to evolve by our own hands .. which as I've said .. are basically tools of nature. I'm not scared of global warming, not saying that we shouldn't take precautions (although I believe we prioritize the wrong things), but my point is that I believe we will fix global warming. I believe eventually we will become a true type 1 civilization.

I don't give a f about animals. I love my cat, I loved the birds I kept, I love animals in general. But I do not love them as much as I love and care for you degenerates. I wish we could be better to each other first before we worry about some species of spider potentially dying out. I wish we lived in a fairer world. But unfortunately, we are too "natural", a large part of us has a "natural" selfishness that will never, ever allow for a truly fair system ruled by humans. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if we'd be better off with an ASI in power (AI super intelligence/god.. the thing that they're all working so hard to create right now). If it doesn't end up mimicking our nature and wiping us out the moment it comes in to existence. We might have a benevolent God that propels us into a future without any scarcity. Where we can preserve all species, nature. Where we can artificially create a calm for nature's entropy.
最后由 Bayaz First of the Magi 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 上午 11:54
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xAlphaStarOmegax 11 月 12 日 上午 11:48 
I just believe the world is corrupted by evil. It was once "good," but after the fall it changed into a hellscape.
Corvus XIII 11 月 12 日 上午 11:49 
引用自 Bayaz First of the Magi
For decades now, I've seen humans disparage humanity, claiming that we're a scourge, a virus, a danger. Evil bringers of death, the destroyers of nature. Oh, how we destroy "nature" and how we "wipe out species" and "ruing eco systems" and pollute everything.

But, my friends. We are nature. Therefore everything we do, create and cause are just an extension of nature, by our hands.

Think about it, e.g. animal activists will claim we're evil because we either intentionally or inadvertently caused the extinction of an animal, species, plant, natural habitat etc. They genuinely seem to believe that this makes us more evil than animals, or "mother nature" (however you'd like to call natural forces) .. they also often seem to talk as if nature has always been in this equilibrium, where all the species had just the perfect conditions to survive and thrive until humans showed up and ruined it all.

They ignore that trillions of animal species, plants etc have died out because of the over consumption, hunting etc of other species. They ignore that a single degree change can cause the extinction of an entire species. They ignore that almost all species were initially "invasive" species..

A lion doesn't give a F when it's ripping the azwhole of a rhino, then proceeds to rip the animal to pieces, bit by bit as it slowly, painfully dies a horrific death. A lion isn't going to care when it's eating the last living Rhino .. only humans care about such stuff. We are the only ones with concepts of morality and enough intelligence to sometimes stop our own gluttony or even suffer hunger for one winter just so we don't die from hunger next winter..

So why are so many people so convinced we're this evil? You know why global warming matters? Not because "mother nature" gives a f .. nature will spawn 10 billion new species that are better at handling heat, all the species that can evolve and adapt will. Nature doesn't give a f. Global warming is bad my friends because we know, we will not be able to evolve and even if we can survive it the harm it would do to our species would be so bad that we're rightfully collectively getting more and more worried about it. If the world was populated by cows, they wouldn't give a f that their farts are going to cause their extinction.

The beauty of humanity is that we seem to be able to create solutions for basically any problem if given enough time and resources. It's why I do believe that we should limit carbon output, but we should do so smartly. Like why the f are we attacking farmers and forcing taxes, costs etc on them when everyone is driving gas? When electricity prices are skyrocketing making electric cars less feasible? When corpos are pumping 10000x more into the air? During a time food prices have already sky rocketed?

I believe we can fix almost anything we ruin. We can remove the carbon from our skies, we can cool down or world or warm it up, we will eventually control the climate, the winds, the waters just like Gods. But we will deny godhood. We can if we want already create new species. We can create and or even modify our selves to be far superior, to evolve by our own hands .. which as I've said .. are basically a tool of nature. I'm not scared of global warming, not saying that we shouldn't take precautions (although I believe we prioritize the wrong things), but my point is that I believe we will fix global warming. I believe eventually we will become a true type 1 civilization.

I don't give a f about animals. I love my cat, I loved the birds I kept, I love animals in general. But I do not love them as much as I love and care for you degenerates. I wish we could be better to each other first before we worry about some species of spider potentially dying out. I wish lived in a fairer world. But unfortunately, we are too "natural", a large part of us has a "natural" selfishness that will never, ever allow for a truly fair system ruled by humans. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if we'd be better off with a ASI in power (AI super intelligence/god.. the thing that they're all working so hard to create right now). If it doesn't end up mimicking our nature and wiping us out the moment it comes in to existence. We might have a benevolent God that propels us into a future without any scarcity. Where we can preserve all species, nature. Where we can artificially create a calm for nature's entropy.

Great plastic poisoning is just a myth or was working intended.
Rumpelcrutchskin 11 月 12 日 上午 11:55 
Pretty sure nature didn`t take into account how MUCH damage bipedal hairless ape could do.
引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin
Pretty sure nature didn`t take into account how MUCH damage bipedal hairless ape could do.

I think you should consider how violent the explosion of a star is. What is nature to you? The combined evolution of our planet's eco system? Or the entire universe and every particle that exploded out of the big bang? It's not damage, it's success. If nature is the "ghost of our ecosystem" .. then we are nature's best, simply because we have intelligence unrivaled on our planet. We do what other animals do, but much, much better and in a much larger scale. What you're seeing is a total victory of one of countless species evolved over billions of years. We are the "natural" result of evolution. Any species sufficiently successful would have catastrophic effects on the others and the eco system/climate etc. There is no "balancing" other than other creatures desperately trying to keep up with the evolution of their peers, their hunters, their prey. But it's completely random .. it's entropic
We are not natural, we were engineered.
We are not natural, we were engineered.

And who do you think might have engineered you?
Vinz Clortho 11 月 12 日 下午 12:26 
No personal responsibility at all. We aren't evil - we are just natural so let's do what comes naturally. If that means dumping all our rubbish in the sea and making all the animal habitats radioactive - so what? We (someone else) will invent a super rubbish disappearing machine run by cyborg replicants and we will harvest fresh water from the moon. If that doesn't happen, so what? A lion eats an elephant and it doesn't care - why should we?

Are you an animal? Do you want to live in a radioactive rubbish dump with only holographic animals? You remind me of a quote from Mr Burns when he said something like "nature gave us tornadoes and earthquakes and now she wants to quit because she's losing? Well I say hard cheese"
EASY PETE 11 月 12 日 下午 12:26 
People are dumb apes and can’t handle their greedy power hungry nature, end of story bye bye
Fuki 11 月 12 日 下午 12:31 
Who resents their own unique transformative abilities as a member of the ♥♥♥♥ sapiens species? I certainly don't. Friend, this is what happens when the only personality that man possesses is created as expendable fodder to be used as the industrial system needs as to maintain itself to its fullest capacities. I don't sincerely believe that we are a vampiric species simply because our unique transformative capacities eventually gave way to the construction of the industrial system. That's an ahistorical, amaterial, quite frankly liberal view of how life works.
最后由 Fuki 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 12:34
Y1N9 11 月 12 日 下午 12:32 
We can agree that organisms adapt to their environment, yes? Humans as a species modify and construct their own environments. So it's a feedback loop, right. But no one ever talks about the structural mechanisms of this very feedback loop mechanism, the natural echo chambers we form ourselves, by constructing our own environments in our own images. THAT is the problem. A complete lack of insight into the human condition. It's so bad, that most of us can't even spell out what that "human condition" is.
Humans are causing a mass extinction, and since we are the only (known) species with intelligence it is our duty to cease our practices by reducing our numbers drastically.
最后由 EndangeredPootisBird 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 12:40
Fuki 11 月 12 日 下午 12:37 
引用自 Fuki 2
Who resents their own unique transformative abilities as a member of the ♥♥♥♥ sapiens species? I certainly don't. Friend, this is what happens when the only personality that man possesses is created as expendable fodder to be used as the industrial system needs as to maintain itself to its fullest capacities. I don't sincerely believe that we are a vampiric species simply because our unique transformative capacities eventually gave way to the construction of the industrial system. That's an ahistorical, amaterial, quite frankly liberal view of how life works.
Once you figure out that free will is not the absolute organizer of all human activities — yes, people are autonomous as much as the laws of nature permit them, but people certainly are forced to reproduce to order to meet their everyday conditions, which has to develop in order to meet the constant development in quantities of human needs and offspring — you gain a radically new view of what exactly can be plaguing this world on such a monumental systemic scale.
最后由 Fuki 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 12:38
marcusaddamsson 11 月 12 日 下午 12:40 
We are not natural, we were engineered.

And who do you think might have engineered you?


Sol. The more I learn about our solar system, the more I think there's an intelligence at work here. Recently read about how Jupiter essentially saved Earth from being eaten/roasted by Sol, while creating a "gravitational shield" which has allowed millions of years of safety for Earth.

If Sol was sentient (think a tree on steroids), its "job" would be to create us in its own image. And the major upgrade we got was the ability to move. Maybe our "job" is to somehow learn how to survive without Sol.

And yea.. we're ♥♥♥♥♥♥' up Earth big time. But if history has any indictations... humans simply don't react pre-emptively. We react once things are completely and totally screwed.

I mean... if we want *any* chance at all to live on not-Earth, we're gonna hafta do some major upgrades to the human body. Eventually, everyone's gonna be 1/8th tardigrades, just 'cuz. :)
Vinz Clortho 11 月 12 日 下午 12:40 
引用自 Y1N9
We can agree that organisms adapt to their environment, yes? Humans as a species modify and construct their own environments. So it's a feedback loop, right. But no one ever talks about the structural mechanisms of this very feedback loop mechanism, the natural echo chambers we form ourselves, by constructing our own environments in our own images. THAT is the problem. A complete lack of insight into the human condition. It's so bad, that most of us can't even spell out what that "human condition" is.

Absolutely. The elephant in the room is that 90% of the human race are mentally ill and we are building a literal manifestation of our insecurities and dysfunction around us that causes billions to suffer and then calling it society. What is the culmination of that society? New York City? A large collection of square concrete buildings that drains the resources of everything in 500 square miles around it and has it's own island to deposit the garbage? Why do the people there with the most money live in the supertall apartments, away from the dirt below? 5% of residents live the life of their dreams and the rest live in something like the battery packs from the Matrix.
最后由 Vinz Clortho 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 12:46
Fuki 11 月 12 日 下午 12:44 
引用自 Vinz Clortho
引用自 Y1N9
We can agree that organisms adapt to their environment, yes? Humans as a species modify and construct their own environments. So it's a feedback loop, right. But no one ever talks about the structural mechanisms of this very feedback loop mechanism, the natural echo chambers we form ourselves, by constructing our own environments in our own images. THAT is the problem. A complete lack of insight into the human condition. It's so bad, that most of us can't even spell out what that "human condition" is.

Absolutely. The elephant in the room is that 90% of the human race are mentally ill and we are building a literal manifestation of our insecurities and dysfunction around us that causes billions to suffer and then calling it society. What is the culmination of that society? New York City? A large collection of square concrete buildings that drains the resources of everything in 500 square miles around it and has it's own island to deposit the garbage? Why do the people there with the most money live in the supertall apartments, away from the dirt below?
It's extremely disturbing.
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