Is technological advancement becoming a "problem"?

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DeBuu 19. okt. kl. 13:21

I was thinking to myself these days:

"Wow, I built my PC 2-3 years ago, and it's almost "unfit" for playing anything competitive, and sometimes even AAA single-player... I see the effort it takes to beat an opponent in a match with hardware that's much better than mine, and there's only so much time for technological advancement."

Let me explain: Playing Battlefield 6 recently, I noticed that no matter how much I optimized my system (B550m, R7 5700X, RTX 3060TI, 32GB RAM: 3200MHz), it still performs poorly. What's fine with me is that I'm happy with my 90/100 frames... But suddenly I came across a squad of four guys playing together, with FPS rates of 240/360Hz, and since I like to play solo, like a lone wolf, I'm completely helpless, unable to even react enough to click the mouse.

This is the first of two factors I think is important to mention.

The second is precisely about the evolution triggered by hardware and software updates.

I'm going to say something that's sad (but it's true). I'm from Brazil, and here there are already games with a price that would buy groceries for a whole month for some families.

Imagine how hard it is to stay up to date? I'll show you an "estimated" table of what happens here, and how difficult it is to stay up to date.

$1 Dollar = 5.41 Reais. (To avoid specifying in broken numbers) I'll use around x5/6 multiplied by a single $1 US Dollar for the value of the product here.

A table to simplify, that we pay (depending on each day God gives us) 5 to 6 times the cost of $1 US Dollar.

USD to BRL exchange rates today.

USD BRL

100 USD = 540.87 BRL
250 USD = 1,352.16 BRL
500 USD = 2,704.33 BRL
1,000 USD = 5,408.65 BRL

Imagine how difficult it is to "have" at least acceptable technology here.

This was not written with the intention of generating intrigue or indignation.

But weren't the games we played 20, 15 years ago (all with the same 30/60 frames per second) more fun? Simply because everyone had the same advantages, and what really mattered was skill?

You don't need to use cheaters in games anymore (that's the good part). Just invest a fortune in good hardware, hehe.

I don't know, I could be wrong about everything I said, and I can at least try to have fun (even knowing I'll be at a HUGE disadvantage in many games).

Sometimes I feel like the fun has been left aside, and what prevails is simply the power "to have"... Those with less privileges are serving well in games that require performance (at least as bots ^^) or boosters for others.

Even the Devs' love for games seems to have waned. I've noticed this over time, and I'm not generalizing.

There are those who still do it with love (or used to): Mentions of Icefrog (Dota), Hideo Kojima (Life Stranding), and many others who still feel that "Love, for and by playing games" feeling.

Sorry for all this chatter, I just wanted to talk about what I've been thinking.

Bye everyone and be safe. ^^

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Komarimaru 19. okt. kl. 13:36

PC has always been this way. If you opt into getting the lower end hardware, it becomes obsolete much much sooner.

If you get the lower end, it's only going to last 2-3 years in most cases. Higher end can last 5-10 and still playable.

wesnef 19. okt. kl. 13:56

Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:
PC has always been this way. If you opt into getting the lower end hardware, it becomes obsolete much much sooner.

If you get the lower end, it's only going to last 2-3 years in most cases.

That seems kind of often to me, but I suppose it depends on what each particular person's "minimum" requirements are. If you're good with 1080p/60/not-ultra, they can last quite a bit longer. If you gotta have all the bells & whistles (ultra, RT, 100+fps), then. . . well, you shouldn't have been building a low end system in the first place.

Not playing competitive/MP games helps a lot, though.

Komarimaru 19. okt. kl. 14:01

Oprindeligt skrevet af wesnef:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Komarimaru:
PC has always been this way. If you opt into getting the lower end hardware, it becomes obsolete much much sooner.

If you get the lower end, it's only going to last 2-3 years in most cases.

That seems kind of often to me, but I suppose it depends on what each particular person's "minimum" requirements are. If you're good with 1080p/60/not-ultra, they can last quite a bit longer. If you gotta have all the bells & whistles (ultra, RT, 100+fps), then. . . well, you shouldn't have been building a low end system in the first place.

Not playing competitive/MP games helps a lot, though.

Used to be worse in the 90's and early 2000's. Hardware and software was coming out so much faster and advancing way faster.

t9 19. okt. kl. 14:03

It slowed down to be honest

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Vamp 19. okt. kl. 14:19

Totally, every 2 years specs pretty much doubled.

⬤ ⬤ 19. okt. kl. 14:31

idk wtf you're talking about. My pc is minimum 10 years old and it work just fine and I have around 60 fps if I'm lucky. idk why you assume that you lose a 4v1 because you have 90fps???? And how do you know they have 240fps????? I think someone told you that fps make a difference, when it doesn't, and blamed your lose on this since then.

Rumpelcrutchskin 19. okt. kl. 15:29

8 GB VRAM graphics cards like your 3060 Ti are fast becoming obsolete. In most modern games you hit the VRAM limit and performance plummets.

Doctor Zalgo 19. okt. kl. 15:57

It's actually slowed down dramatically. Thinking about to the 386/486/Pentium era, you'd never get 10 years out of a computer like you can now.

DeBuu 19. okt. kl. 16:15

The problem, as I explained, is that...

Take the price you pay and multiply it by 5.5x today, since the dollar fluctuates a lot in Brazil. Not to mention the taxes the seller includes in the sale and the "profit" they make from the sale.

Here, an RTX 5080 is equivalent to the price of a new, affordable motorcycle.

Therefore, buying hardware at launch, even an XX60, will be expensive.

76561198407601200 19. okt. kl. 16:19

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rumpelcrutchskin:
8 GB VRAM graphics cards like your 3060 Ti are fast becoming obsolete. In most modern games you hit the VRAM limit and performance plummets.

I have a 3070 ti on one of of my builds, runs cyberpunk perfectly fine with 120 fps, high/max settings though i had to mess around with raytracing a little. 3060 ti might perform just slightly below this but would still run it fine.

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Realigo Actual 19. okt. kl. 16:22

Battlefield lists your GPU as recommended? Is this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? If you have the recommended GPU what is the issue?

I'm not sure their 240hz is going to matter because their commands to you are still going to be capped by the game's tick rate. Battlefield 6 has a server tick rate of 60 hz. What that means is, not matter how fast their game is rendering, all those frames are getting keyframed down to 60 for the purposes of inter-player communication.

Specs are not allowed to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. You can't make games be pay to win by hardware. I think it's more likely that you were losing to the group because they were all playing as a pug with personal comms.

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Crazy Tiger 19. okt. kl. 16:28

No, probably cause I'm good with 1080p/60/not-ultra.

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Crazy Tiger 19. okt. kl. 16:30

Oprindeligt skrevet af DeBuu:
The problem, as I explained, is that...

Take the price you pay and multiply it by 5.5x today, since the dollar fluctuates a lot in Brazil. Not to mention the taxes the seller includes in the sale and the "profit" they make from the sale.

Here, an RTX 5080 is equivalent to the price of a new, affordable motorcycle.

Therefore, buying hardware at launch, even an XX60, will be expensive.

That sucks. But economics not being in ones favor doesn't mean technological advancement is a problem.

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Eagle_of_Fire 19. okt. kl. 16:31

Oprindeligt skrevet af DeBuu:
The problem, as I explained, is that...

Take the price you pay and multiply it by 5.5x today, since the dollar fluctuates a lot in Brazil. Not to mention the taxes the seller includes in the sale and the "profit" they make from the sale.

Here, an RTX 5080 is equivalent to the price of a new, affordable motorcycle.

Therefore, buying hardware at launch, even an XX60, will be expensive.

Seems to me that the real actual problem is that you live in Brazil. I don't and I certainly do not share your problem around here.

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Dendrobates Tinctorius 19. okt. kl. 16:39

Oprindeligt skrevet af DeBuu:
What's fine with me is that I'm happy with my 90/100 frames... But suddenly I came across a squad of four guys playing together, with FPS rates of 240/360Hz, and since I like to play solo, like a lone wolf, I'm completely helpless, unable to even react enough to click the mouse.

i doubt you lost because of a 5 millisecond difference in frametimes. online games probably have more network jitter than that.

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