Believing humans can fully control the climate feels a bit arrogant to me. What’s real is how governments use the topic, more taxes, more control, less freedom.

Because climate change is a BS narrative created by a politician.

Because they are too rich to actually care.

The earth heats and cools at a very very very very very slow pace. It is still does it now - heating up and cooling - at a very very very very slow pace. It's called weather and climate. And climate and weather changes (over long long long long chunks of time) because that's what climate has done since forever. E.g. an arid place stays arid for a long time, and fires (natural) are a part of the natural climate. Unless I see a snowy climate have scorching heat within a day, week, year or even decade (only change that extreme has happened after eons and NOT from human influence but from naturally natural weather), there is trace concern and zero concern for us. Seeing an arid place do arid things is the opposite of climate change. I can't believe how some people think that natural disasters are climate change and that this is somehow caused by humans when it's existed since the dawn of time, if not way, way worse in the past. Soon they'll be calling the continental drift climate change. Oh wait technically they're already doing that, welp. Time for humans to not exhale all that carbon dioxide that the trees consume for resources, naughty naughty.

引用自 Bishop：

Because climate change is a BS narrative created by a politician.

You do realise the ice is melting more and more in the north (part im aware of) to the point where it might soon become a solid travel route. The earth is heating up, that's not even debatable, that's factual.

Now, is human activity to blame? That's the 100$ question for the average joe. Because unlike HUGE area of ice melting that second problem is a hell of a lot less "visual" making it harder to digest for some people.

But if we look at the level of carbon in the atmosphere over time. Which we fortunately kept a record of. It ain't hard to find correlations between industrial development and climate change.

There is more evidence of climate change happening than it just being a random occurrence on Earth.

And keep in mind, when I speak of the carbon in the atmosphere. That' just ONE of the existing proofs. Several fields are involved in this.

引用自 Stakanov：

Believing humans can fully control the climate feels a bit arrogant to me. What’s real is how governments use the topic, more taxes, more control, less freedom. :ashshocked:

We can't control it, just influence it.

引用自 Bishop：

Because climate change is a BS narrative created by a politician.

It was discovered by scientists decades ago, before any politician knew about it.

引用自 Bunille：

The earth heats and cools at a very very very very very slow pace. It is still does it now - heating up and cooling - at a very very very very slow pace. It's called weather and climate. And climate and weather changes (over long long long long chunks of time) because that's what climate has done since forever. E.g. an arid place stays arid for a long time, and fires (natural) are a part of the natural climate. Unless I see a snowy climate have scorching heat within a day, week, year or even decade (only change that extreme has happened after eons and NOT from human influence but from naturally natural weather), there is trace concern and zero concern for us. Seeing an arid place do arid things is the opposite of climate change. I can't believe how some people think that natural disasters are climate change and that this is somehow caused by humans when it's existed since the dawn of time, if not way, way worse in the past. Soon they'll be calling the continental drift climate change. Oh wait technically they're already doing that, welp. Time for humans to not exhale all that carbon dioxide that the trees consume for resources, naughty naughty.

Physics tells us that warmer ocean water provide more energy for hurricanes and that warmer air temperatures makes hot days more likely and thus increasing the likelyhood of extreme wildfires.

Because barring a massive methane clathrate deposit going up like an enormous planetary fart, they'll be dead before they ever have to deal with the consequences, and even then, being rich means you never have to lose if you don't want to. A house on a flood plain that floods every year, without fail, recently sold near me for about 3.5 million. Why? I don't know, maybe they're a family of submariners, but point being, there's a point where if you have enough money, you can ignore all the rational things the rest of us mere mortals have to actually think about. Another ten years and that house will probably have both an extra flood per year, and another million tacked onto the price for absolutely no real reason, other than that the people who want that sort of thing will continue to pay enormous amounts of money for that sort of thing. Even if it's slowly turning into Atlantis.

So, uh, long story short. Markets aren't entirely rational, property markets included. Rich people know that, it's often why they're rich in the first place.

引用自 EndangeredPootisBird：

引用自 Stakanov：

Believing humans can fully control the climate feels a bit arrogant to me. What’s real is how governments use the topic, more taxes, more control, less freedom. :ashshocked:

We can't control it, just influence it.

引用自 Bishop：

Because climate change is a BS narrative created by a politician.

It was discovered by scientists decades ago, before any politician knew about it.

引用自 Bunille：

The earth heats and cools at a very very very very very slow pace. It is still does it now - heating up and cooling - at a very very very very slow pace. It's called weather and climate. And climate and weather changes (over long long long long chunks of time) because that's what climate has done since forever. E.g. an arid place stays arid for a long time, and fires (natural) are a part of the natural climate. Unless I see a snowy climate have scorching heat within a day, week, year or even decade (only change that extreme has happened after eons and NOT from human influence but from naturally natural weather), there is trace concern and zero concern for us. Seeing an arid place do arid things is the opposite of climate change. I can't believe how some people think that natural disasters are climate change and that this is somehow caused by humans when it's existed since the dawn of time, if not way, way worse in the past. Soon they'll be calling the continental drift climate change. Oh wait technically they're already doing that, welp. Time for humans to not exhale all that carbon dioxide that the trees consume for resources, naughty naughty.

Physics tells us that for warmer ocean water provide more energy for hurricanes, warmer air temperatures makes warm days more likely and increases the chance of wildfires.

Warm places have been warm for centuries, way way before anything industrial. Places that had hurricanes hundreds if not thousands of years ago still have them. Those that don't have those climates, don't. There are a ton of countries that are very cold. There are a ton of countries that are (barely) getting colder, not (barely) warmer. If humans were the cause of concern then Russia and China wouldn't have really nice climates and would be the worst of the worst, especially within miles from power plants... yet it's not. Apart from the air (you'd have to be very close for it to be a problem), the climate is doing its normal thing. Since governments have forced people to become poorer because they cannot afford expensive 'clean' energy (it isn't cheap and will never be cheaper, most certainly isn't right now) even with that, showing that since a lot of countries are using or forced to use 'clean energy', why does "climate change" still go up just as much? It's literally correlation does not equal causation. It's strange that doomsday people immediately think that correlation is causation despite this being a normal thing for the Earth to do, yet they still fly planes and I bet they waste a lot of water. There is zero proof for any of this but making society much less affordable and inefficient.

引用自 EndangeredPootisBird：

引用自 Stakanov：

Believing humans can fully control the climate feels a bit arrogant to me. What’s real is how governments use the topic, more taxes, more control, less freedom. :ashshocked:

We can't control it, just influence it.

引用自 Bishop：

Because climate change is a BS narrative created by a politician.

It was discovered by scientists decades ago, before any politician knew about it.

引用自 Bunille：

The earth heats and cools at a very very very very very slow pace. It is still does it now - heating up and cooling - at a very very very very slow pace. It's called weather and climate. And climate and weather changes (over long long long long chunks of time) because that's what climate has done since forever. E.g. an arid place stays arid for a long time, and fires (natural) are a part of the natural climate. Unless I see a snowy climate have scorching heat within a day, week, year or even decade (only change that extreme has happened after eons and NOT from human influence but from naturally natural weather), there is trace concern and zero concern for us. Seeing an arid place do arid things is the opposite of climate change. I can't believe how some people think that natural disasters are climate change and that this is somehow caused by humans when it's existed since the dawn of time, if not way, way worse in the past. Soon they'll be calling the continental drift climate change. Oh wait technically they're already doing that, welp. Time for humans to not exhale all that carbon dioxide that the trees consume for resources, naughty naughty.

Physics tells us that warmer ocean water provide more energy for hurricanes and that warmer air temperatures makes hot days more likely and thus increasing the likelyhood of extreme wildfires.

Physics doesn't say any of that. We've actually seen a reduction of storms like hurricanes and tornadoes, not even seeing an F5 for 12 years until earlier this year. And it doesn't make days hotter or turn places into deserts either, that's not how averages work. It would extend tropical and temperate zones further north, meaning at worse, you'll have warmer winter.

You'll be fine.

There's two options.

1. Climate change isn't real.
2. Climate change won't have consequences on their life spans.

Pick the one you like the most, it doesn't make a difference.

I'm more on the side of the vast majority, if not all but a handful, of scientists all over the planet that all agree and use the same methods to show that Climate Change from humans is happening.

All I've seen so far as evidence for Climate Change not happening is people saying it's not happening. Well, that not fully true, I've also seen people quote either pop-science articles, newspaper articles, blogs, or people not in the relevant scientific field. But, to me, none has shown to be accurate, yet.

I'm also not a scientist, in any sense, so I might just not understand what I'm reading about it. :P

So how do you explain why the north pole and the EU glaciers are melting?

引用自 Bunille：

引用自 EndangeredPootisBird：

We can't control it, just influence it.



It was discovered by scientists decades ago, before any politician knew about it.



Physics tells us that for warmer ocean water provide more energy for hurricanes, warmer air temperatures makes warm days more likely and increases the chance of wildfires.

Warm places have been warm for centuries, way way before anything industrial. Places that had hurricanes hundreds if not thousands of years ago still have them. Those that don't have those climates, don't. There are a ton of countries that are very cold. There are a ton of countries that are (barely) getting colder, not (barely) warmer. If humans were the cause of concern then Russia and China wouldn't have really nice climates and would be the worst of the worst, especially within miles from power plants... yet it's not. Apart from the air (you'd have to be very close for it to be a problem), the climate is doing its normal thing. Since governments have forced people to become poorer because they cannot afford expensive 'clean' energy (it isn't cheap and will never be cheaper, most certainly isn't right now) even with that, showing that since a lot of countries are using or forced to use 'clean energy', why does "climate change" still go up just as much? It's literally correlation does not equal causation. It's strange that doomsday people immediately think that correlation is causation despite this being a normal thing for the Earth to do, yet they still fly planes and I bet they waste a lot of water. There is zero proof for any of this but making society much less affordable and inefficient.

Both warm and cold places are warming, albeit at different rates. Energy prices are determined by numerous factors, such as market fluctuations and major world events.

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 EndangeredPootisBird：

We can't control it, just influence it.



It was discovered by scientists decades ago, before any politician knew about it.



Physics tells us that warmer ocean water provide more energy for hurricanes and that warmer air temperatures makes hot days more likely and thus increasing the likelyhood of extreme wildfires.

Physics doesn't say any of that. We've actually seen a reduction of storms like hurricanes and tornadoes, not even seeing an F5 for 12 years until earlier this year. And it doesn't make days hotter or turn places into deserts either, that's not how averages work. It would extend tropical and temperate zones further north, meaning at worse, you'll have warmer winter.

You'll be fine.

The Clausius–Clapeyron equation is telling us it.

Rich people can always move on a whim. Poor people can`t.

引用自 EndangeredPootisBird：

引用自 Bunille：

Warm places have been warm for centuries, way way before anything industrial. Places that had hurricanes hundreds if not thousands of years ago still have them. Those that don't have those climates, don't. There are a ton of countries that are very cold. There are a ton of countries that are (barely) getting colder, not (barely) warmer. If humans were the cause of concern then Russia and China wouldn't have really nice climates and would be the worst of the worst, especially within miles from power plants... yet it's not. Apart from the air (you'd have to be very close for it to be a problem), the climate is doing its normal thing. Since governments have forced people to become poorer because they cannot afford expensive 'clean' energy (it isn't cheap and will never be cheaper, most certainly isn't right now) even with that, showing that since a lot of countries are using or forced to use 'clean energy', why does "climate change" still go up just as much? It's literally correlation does not equal causation. It's strange that doomsday people immediately think that correlation is causation despite this being a normal thing for the Earth to do, yet they still fly planes and I bet they waste a lot of water. There is zero proof for any of this but making society much less affordable and inefficient.

Both warm and cold places are warming, albeit at different rates. Energy prices are determined by numerous factors, including by market fluctuations and major world events.

I'm not talking about energy prices. I'm talking about types of energy. The 'clean' energy costs a fortune compared to anything else and is a privilege to be able to casually afford.
All places are cooling as well. It's how the weather works. The summer this year, despite some guy on tv saying whatever about it being the 'hottest its ever been' (they've said this every year and it's been a fair day), was cooler. Everyone here could tell by just simply going outside. The winter also has its warmer and colder days, but the winter NEVER is for sundresses, and the summer is NEVER for a ski suit. When I can go outside and be made to wear such to cope with the climate, then I'll bother worrying. They base temperatures on extreme areas that literally nobody goes to, it's heavily unrealistic. Like the "it's snowing" propaganda. If one tiny speck is on the highest mountain, they call it the first day of snow and everyone calls it climate change despite it affecting literally zilch. But for you right now, it's just making you and others mentally unwell. This dystopia is not good for the heart, mind, and soul.