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Stakanov 11 月 8 日 上午 1:46
Pokrovsk and Myrnograd have fallen and now it’s “not strategic important.”
https://youtu.be/sCBv6NLzl2U?si=epTfhTIv4sF-_6Iv&t=25

As of yesterday, both Pokrovsk and the adjacent city of Myrnograd are under Russian control. Clearing operations are still taking place inside, but the encirclement phase is over, and the front line has already shifted west.

What’s striking is the sudden shift in narrative: for weeks, Pokrovsk was portrayed as a vital defensive hub, but now that it’s lost, it’s “not important.” The pattern repeats — hype before the fall, denial after.

We’ve seen this before. Remember the “Crimea Beach Party” optimism in 2023? Or the so-called “Kursk counter-offensive” that was supposed to change everything? The results speak for themselves.

If we’re being realistic, the momentum has been one-sided for a long time now. Ukraine’s best chance to negotiate peace was after the 2022 counter-offensive when it still had initiative and Western enthusiasm. Since then, it’s been attrition, depletion, and forced mobilization.

By late 2025, production capacity and manpower have dropped dramatically, while Russia continues to advance on several fronts at once.
If this pace continues, it’s hard to imagine Ukraine lasting through 2026.

That’s just the situation as it stands. What’s your take on it, realistically?
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Gracey Face 11 月 8 日 上午 1:51 
My take is that the most corrupt country in Europe is losing a war to the second most corrupt country in Europe and we should stay out of it and ignore it.
Stakanov 11 月 8 日 上午 1:58 
引用自 Gracey Face
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I completely agree, we have no business being there. Unfortunately, the war drags on mainly because Western nations keep financing Ukraine with weapons, intelligence, money, and even “volunteers.”
Ukraine isn’t part of the EU or NATO, so there’s no actual obligation to keep funding this conflict.
最后由 Stakanov 编辑于; 11 月 8 日 上午 1:58
Walach 11 月 8 日 上午 3:06 
引用自 Stakanov
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I completely agree, we have no business being there. Unfortunately, the war drags on mainly because Western nations keep financing Ukraine with weapons, intelligence, money, and even “volunteers.”
Ukraine isn’t part of the EU or NATO, so there’s no actual obligation to keep funding this conflict.
In my opinion, it's good that NATO doesn't seem to think so.
NATO condemns Russia's brutal and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine in the strongest possible terms. Ukraine is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and it has cooperated closely with NATO members for more than 30 years. This partnership has made both Ukraine and NATO stronger. NATO supports Ukraine’s fundamental right to self-defence and is coordinating the delivery of aid from Allies and partners. Since 2022, NATO Allies have been providing Ukraine with unprecedented levels of military assistance, delivering billions of euros worth of equipment, supplies, training and other critical support.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm
Dunbar Inc. 11 月 8 日 上午 3:09 
The war drags on because your Russian dictator is a war criminal, narcissist psychopath.
Echo 11 月 8 日 上午 3:09 
Ukraine is putting up a better fight than your country (France) ever did in WW1 and WW2 combined OP.
All the weapons and support in the world won't matter if there aren't any soldiers left to use them.
causality 11 月 8 日 上午 3:19 
Unfortunately P*tin can't back down because of how powerful sunk cost fallacy is. If he does the right thing and ceases his unprovoked aggression he just looks like a massive loser and a bad guy. It's the ugly side of Russian machismo costing innocent lives. :oink:
hunne 11 月 8 日 上午 3:23 
aww... NATO sequential warfare ain´t working? what a pitty... hence why Trump points his fingers towards all sort of countries... "yo, looky here!" ...
easy to see once you´ve understood how that all is suppossed to work

hot damn, those 10 billion, conservative estimate, in raw ressource stuck in the ground there
can´t be had... keep pouring more money, western tax slaves...
you will certainly profit from it one day.... ahahaha

and now, go ahead, smithe me, call me a rusky lover and whatnot... IDGAF
最后由 hunne 编辑于; 11 月 8 日 上午 3:23
Dunbar Inc. 11 月 8 日 上午 3:24 
引用自 causality
Unfortunately P*tin can't back down because of how powerful sunk cost fallacy is. If he does the right thing and ceases his unprovoked aggression he just looks like a massive loser and a bad guy. It's the ugly side of Russian machismo costing innocent lives. :oink:
Russia's oligarchs are all super old. This is their death throws. The fall of the Soviet Union in the 90s led to the creation of these chumps, and now 35 years later they're all about to die from health problems.
Stakanov 11 月 8 日 上午 3:28 
引用自 Walach
引用自 Stakanov
[…]
I completely agree, we have no business being there. Unfortunately, the war drags on mainly because Western nations keep financing Ukraine with weapons, intelligence, money, and even “volunteers.”
Ukraine isn’t part of the EU or NATO, so there’s no actual obligation to keep funding this conflict.
In my opinion, it's good that NATO doesn't seem to think so.
NATO condemns Russia's brutal and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine in the strongest possible terms. Ukraine is an independent, peaceful and democratic country, and it has cooperated closely with NATO members for more than 30 years. This partnership has made both Ukraine and NATO stronger. NATO supports Ukraine’s fundamental right to self-defence and is coordinating the delivery of aid from Allies and partners. Since 2022, NATO Allies have been providing Ukraine with unprecedented levels of military assistance, delivering billions of euros worth of equipment, supplies, training and other critical support.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm

NATO isn’t Europe, it’s primarily an American-led military structure.
European forces participate, but the core decisions and logistics rely heavily on the United States. Without Washington, NATO wouldn’t function in practice, and Article 5 exists largely because the U.S. signature gives it weight.
Ukraine’s corruption and economic fragility have been documented for decades, much of its infrastructure dating back to the Soviet era. European countries, meanwhile, long depended on Russian energy and trade; that relationship kept living costs far lower than what we face now.

Since cutting ties with Russia and redirecting billions toward Ukraine, Europe has absorbed massive costs with limited returns. That’s just the reality on the ground. Claiming that Ukraine now contributes more to Europe than Russia ever did doesn’t line up with the facts.

引用自 Echo
Ukraine is putting up a better fight than your country (France) ever did in WW1 and WW2 combined OP.

France fought with honor, using its own army, its own resources, and its own strategy.
Ukraine, by contrast, relies heavily on continuous Western support, equipment, intelligence, and funding from the EU and the U.S. Without that, the outcome would likely have been very different.

France, when faced with defeat, made political and military decisions on its own terms. It has world-class industry, nuclear deterrence, a powerful air force, and a long military tradition built by its own people.
Its scientific, industrial, and historical legacy speaks for itself.

I’m not French myself, my heritage is partly Chinese but I respect France deeply. I only hope it will stop sacrificing its own interests for a conflict that doesn’t serve it.
Dunbar Inc. 11 月 8 日 上午 3:33 
Tomahawks in route, Stank. The attacks on Russian cities are coming.
Echo 11 月 8 日 上午 3:34 
引用自 Stakanov
引用自 Walach
In my opinion, it's good that NATO doesn't seem to think so.

NATO isn’t Europe, it’s primarily an American-led military structure.
European forces participate, but the core decisions and logistics rely heavily on the United States. Without Washington, NATO wouldn’t function in practice, and Article 5 exists largely because the U.S. signature gives it weight.
Ukraine’s corruption and economic fragility have been documented for decades, much of its infrastructure dating back to the Soviet era. European countries, meanwhile, long depended on Russian energy and trade; that relationship kept living costs far lower than what we face now.

Since cutting ties with Russia and redirecting billions toward Ukraine, Europe has absorbed massive costs with limited returns. That’s just the reality on the ground. Claiming that Ukraine now contributes more to Europe than Russia ever did doesn’t line up with the facts.

引用自 Echo
Ukraine is putting up a better fight than your country (France) ever did in WW1 and WW2 combined OP.

France fought with honor, using its own army, its own resources, and its own strategy.
Ukraine, by contrast, relies heavily on continuous Western support, equipment, intelligence, and funding from the EU and the U.S. Without that, the outcome would likely have been very different.

France, when faced with defeat, made political and military decisions on its own terms. It has world-class industry, nuclear deterrence, a powerful air force, and a long military tradition built by its own people.
Its scientific, industrial, and historical legacy speaks for itself.

I’m not French myself, my heritage is partly Chinese but I respect France deeply. I only hope it will stop sacrificing its own interests for a conflict that doesn’t serve it.

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/discussions/forum/12/660467026274543234/#c660467026274544996

😂 Lies exposed again.
Stakanov 11 月 8 日 上午 3:42 
引用自 Senor Eppeb Beppers
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I have a THPI and I’m always right. Listen to me, it’s not going to happen. The U.S. doesn’t have enough of them, it’s costly, and it would change nothing on the ground. Another so-called Wonder Weapon, another political gesture that ends in disappointment.

Trump made a mistake getting dragged into this game. He was already humiliated dealing with Xi, and the same pattern will repeat in Ukraine. It’s his war now, whether he likes it or not but he won’t use Tomahawks. Mark my words.

And honestly, it’s strange: if Ukraine truly had a strong defense industry, why keep asking for American weapons? :lukasLaugh:
Stakanov 11 月 8 日 上午 4:15 
引用自 Senor Eppeb Beppers
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Modern, beautiful, clean cities, no crime, no chaos, no reason to bomb them. I guess those are all negative points for you.


引用自 Blims!
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Who exactly? Since this is supposed to be a Russia–Ukraine conflict, are you saying Ukraine is developing nuclear weapons and plans to use them on Russia? That will never happen. Ukraine can’t even manufacture its own rifles or drones, everything they use is either imported or leftover Soviet gear.
最后由 Stakanov 编辑于; 11 月 8 日 上午 4:15
eram 11 月 8 日 上午 4:18 
Pokrovsk and Myrnograd are in Ukrainian control. They defeated the enemy

Well done lads
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