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But at this point, there is too much we don't know.
Yes, Steam Machine is going to be roughly around similar performance level of the PS5 / current entry-mid level PC (Valve noted that it's performance level is higher than approximately around ~70% of users current systems based on their hardware survey results). So what is rumored/expected for Magnus as a next-gen console/PC hybrid is going to be more performant; however, you are making a very large assumption that Microsoft is going to price that similar to where the Steam Machine ends up getting priced.
I think Microsoft's intention is in-line with their "everything is an Xbox" in regards to "next-gen" and they aren't going to discontinue Xbox Series X|S if/when Magnus launches. It will be viewed as a different product offering as a premium PC/Console hybrid and they will price it accordingly while leaving the Xbox Series X available as an option for a dedicated console offering to leverage Xbox Cloud for newer titles.
Lastly, Valve isn't looking at consoles in regards to competition for pricing. They are looking at comparable specs/features for a PC and are aiming to be competitively priced for that price point to be a good value in comparison to buying/building a similar spec PC. Given Sarah Bond's comments on the topic also indicating it will be a "Very premium experience" and some hints that they are also intending to move away from subsidizing it due to it opening up the platform to more than being locked down to Xbox; I'd suggest that it will also be well north of what the Steam Machine gets priced at. I think they will follow the same path that Valve is doing here by comparing it to a similarly spec'd PC if you were to buy/build one.
If you think Magnus will be priced in the same area as the Xbox Series X; or even around that $800 you are saying would be too much for Steam Machine, I think you are going to be in for some sticker shock in 2027/2028 when it launches.
Is the next xbox available? No? Then the answer to your question is no. Let's talk when there's an actual product to talk about.
People don't buy $800 prebuilt PC's? I think they do, otherwise PC gaming wouldn't be a thing.
People wanting to treat the Steam Machine like a console and are expecting Valve to sell it at a loss like consoles often are sold are making an argument of convenience, and ignoring the reality. Making up your own reality doesn't count.
But you are right, we don't know.
This would be a big opportunity for either company to make a big impact.
To give you somewhat of a reality check, go look at the pricing for the Xbox ROG Ally X. That is still less performance than Steam Machine even though it is RDNA 3.5 GPU cores, it has fewer cores and they are spec'd to be significantly lower frequency in comparison to what will be in Steam Machine.
It's $1000, subtract out the BOM for the display and battery and you'll still be north of $800. Magnus will be significantly more performant than this and you think Microsoft will price it at that same price point?
In reality what the rumored/leaked specs for Magnus looks like if Microsoft doesn't subsidize it as they've hinted at; would put it in the ball park of $1500+
Steam Machine is likely going to be targeting a ball park of around $800 - $1000.
EDIT: parting out a similarly spec'd PC if you were to build something relatively close would be around $1180. Valve is likely to at least be getting better than retail pricing for components and will be able to shave some of that cost off but I still think their BOM for Steam Machine is going to be relatively close to that $650 - $800 point and they aren't looking to sell it as a loss-leader. I think people expecting it will be lower priced similar to Steam Deck just aren't living in reality of what it costs to build a PC currently
Microsoft can and has subsidized their hardware, and this will be a huge factor on if it's successful, but seeing how Microsoft is treating Xbox maybe I am off base.
Either way, I am anxious about the steam machine pricing, I would like one but I've already built a high end gaming PC, so $1000 plus for something less powerful than what I already have has no point, so it's not for me.
But if it's for the ones who don't have a PC but want one, $1000 plus (if it is that) will basically force them to look elsewhere or go used... Or... This. Competition is good for us all.
This is all speculation, that all we can do right now.
Microsoft, just like all other console manufactures, are able to sell the hardware at a loss as a loss-leader specifically because the platform is locked down to their software which is where they make their money. They've already indicated that Magnus isn't going to be a typical console and their wording in discussing it has strongly hinted at it not being subsidized like a traditional console.
Also, in regards to the Xbox ROG Ally X "not being a microsoft product"; that is irrelevant and exactly the point being made. That is what pricing looks like without subsidizing it as a loss-leader because it's an open platform not locked to "Xbox" software only.
Lastly, correct you are not the target audience unless you were also intending to build a secondary entry-mid level PC for your living room in addition to your higher end gaming PC.
70%+ of Steam users have PCs that are lower spec'd than what the Steam Machine is. A significant amount of those are substantially lower than where Steam Machine will be at. Those users who have older systems less powerful than Steam Machine and haven't upgraded their PC because building or buying something newer would cost them $1500; those are the target market. And/or individuals who do have an enthusiast PC but would also like a reasonably performant small form factor PC for the living room that can also play most of their Steam library.
None of these will be anywhere close to a 5090
One caveat you need to think about. Do most PC gamers already have your hardware or better?
Thing people forget is that most gamers, PC or otherwise aren't hardware enthusiasts. PC gaming is also full of people running dated hardware, low spec hardware. And at some point they'll be in the market for a new PC. And the Steam Machine is just Valve's prebuilt PC. And anyone who doesn't luck it can go buy some other prebuilt PC.
It really does feel like people are inventing problems for one prebuilt PC that they don't apply to any of the other PC hardware available.
I mean I'm not the target demographic either. I just don't pretend like that's some sort of problem that needs to be fixed.
If the leaks are to be believed it will be a 64CU RDNA5 GPU core; e.g. the same number of compute units as the 9070xt. The architecture changes from RDNA4 to RDNA5 isn't going to bridge the massive gulf between an RX9070xt and a RTX5090. A large focus of what AMD has discussed in regards to RDNA5 is around improving Ray Tracing performance (which is still abysmal on AMDs side) and improving acceleration of "AI" workloads so they can continue to improve FSR4 to be closer to DLSS.
Magnus will likely be closer to somewhere between a 5070Ti and a 5080 depending on game and rasterization / Ray Tracing work load in the game.