引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

First of all why 1gigabit ethernet... do they know at steam that most of the games they are selling are upwards of 50GB and many more than 100GB?? PER GAME?? 10 such games = 1TB

Have you ever tried to transfer games like that over 1gbps cable???

So peaking at 125MBps, let's round down to 100MBps, so 10 seconds per GB, so 8 minutes twenty seconds for a 50GB game. Doesn't sound so awful to me.

Quick question, what percentage of your day is spent transferring games around? I mean, I know I don't do it all that often so I'd say something like 0.0001% or some other ridiculously small number.

引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

If not 10 gbps it should at least have 2,5gbps to be able to at least transfer files somewhat faster from a NAS because that's what a steam library needs if you are a client for more than a year ... a NAS games just need many GB and most people dont have very fast Internet to have the luxury to delete games because if they want to play them again they would have to wait for a damn 150GB download which in some cases can take like a full week lol or a few days if nobody else needs the internet in the family home...

Yeah man, sounds like you're not the target demographic. Maybe you should just build your own machine if you have such strong opinions.

引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

When I saw the form factor I was optimistic because I thought it would have been a NAS combo... but it isnt... at least give us a fat pipe to connect to a NAS instead of shoving us the gabe greed pipe up over @#!@ !@#@!.. .....

Your concern still seems to be that the machine wasn't built around you. Who are you again?

引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

Then there is main spec issue? like what kind of AMD APU is it going to use? if it uses the new AI ones then it will be ridiculously expensive if it use something else then it wont do 4k 60 in any graphically demanding game.... even with FSR...

So you're saying that it won't be able to run any game released on PC at 4k 60FPS? Ok... who claimed it would run every game at 4k 60FPS? Do you see the problem with all or nothing thinking?

I mean it's a PC, most PC's can't run "everything" in 4K 60FPS except maybe the tippy top highend machines, and that only lasts for a bit as new and more demanding games come out. Being unrealistic isn't some big brained argument.

引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

I just hope it wont become the parody of old steamboxes where they asked from you to sell your car in order to have enough money to buy what was essentially a toaster that could play your games at 25fps... with some hiccups! Or sell your house if you wanted a little faster toaster that actually barely could play your games at 60 fps... <--- this is why steamboxes failed.

It's a prebuilt PC. Why is everyone acting so weird about a prebuilt PC?

Some people want to treat it like a console, and then are mad it won't have console pricing. You know where Microsoft and Sony sell their hardware at a loss.

But it's just a prebuilt PC. Are people acting this silly over every other prebuilt PC out there?

Just a reminder, most Steam users aren't hardware enthusiasts. Most steam users aren't running better hardware. And not everyone who might be interested in the machine needs it to be the prebuilt PC messiah.

It may fail. Valve can afford to experiment and fail. I would argue the Steam Deck was successful, and how much you want to bet we can find a hundred posts just like yours nitpicking all the imagined deficiencies in the hardware, predicting it was going to fail before it was released. And now all their "expertise" just makes them seem like miserable malcontents who can complain about anything. And none of those people make anything or take a chance on what they make. Why try and fail when you can just complain about products you're not really interested in or had unreasonable expectations about?

Only pirates need NAS like storage . it doesnt have an APU , you have overlooked this . Who has 1Gb Internet ?

If this is your concern, you wouldnt care abt steam machine in the first place

Why are people so worked up about what is (for some) just another prebuilt machine? You don't like it, move on. You do realise the steam machine is meant to be an entry level device?
You want a super duper machine made to your specs then build your system, like everyone that doesn't want a prebuilt has been doing for the past 30 years.

P.S. I have 100Mbps internet. I'd love to have more but it's not worth the price difference as I am on an older, cheaper deal. There are multiple devices at home using the internet, including PCs and TV. It's more than enough. A game takes a little longer to download? Like the Brits say, "put a kettle on".

@x , my Internet is times faster than yours but still below 1Gb . The OP seems disconnected from reality. The majority of people dont have even 1Gb

It is for console users who don't have a clue what you are talking about. If you care about this kind of stuff, just build your own. At this point, you just want one because it is a pretty shape but all it will do in your possession is collect dust.

引用自 smallcat：

@x , my Internet is times faster than yours but still below 1Gb . The OP seems disconnected from reality. The majority of people dont have even 1Gb

I actually had 400 (or was it 500?) internet before. When I changed companies they even offered me 1Gbps to stay.
I'm am much better with the 100Mbps I have now. It's actually 120 down, 140 up and great latency. But I have to say that for new contracts the 1Gbps is getting to be the norm. People are eve signing to 10Gbps for personal use.
So when people complain about high prices on communications, they forget they are feeding the monsters and paying for speeds they use 1% of the time.
Yeah, takes me 2.5 hours to download RDR2... it's like making a roast. You put everything in the over, go to the park for the morning, come back and eat.

引用自 smallcat：

Only pirates need NAS like storage . it doesnt have an APU , you have overlooked this . Who has 1Gb Internet ?

Lots of people do. I have 1Gbps service, and fiber is on the way that will be even faster. And it's not like I live in a market where such things happen first or years before anyone else.

But it doesn't matter, I think people might need to get used to the idea that their devices don't all need to utilize 100% of their internet connection. There's just enough bandwidth to go around and multi-task.

@x , easy bro . maybe i shouldnt have addressed you but the OP. i m neither Musk nor Jensen Huang , just an ordinary one

引用自 smallcat：

@x , easy bro . maybe i shouldnt have addressed you but the OP. i m neither Musk nor Jensen Huang , just an ordinary one

We're cool. I wasn't going at you. Just painting a "general" picture.

most people still dont have internet over 300mb......why would they need anything more then a 1gb connection???

引用自 nullable：

So peaking at 125MBps, let's round down to 100MBps, so 10 seconds per GB, so 8 minutes twenty seconds for a 50GB game. Doesn't sound so awful to me.

First of all 100 mbps is an untouchable dream for most people if you go to ooklas ranking (per country) you will see tons of countries AVERAGING at less than 100 mbps, i put averaging in caps because if the average is less than 100 then there are many people with 24,50 speeds etc .

Also you think that you are the only one who needs internet so you can saturate 100% of the line for your game download for as long as it might take.

But lets do the math for 100mbps, its not 10 seconds per GB 1gbit is NOT 1 GByte... 8gbit = 1 GigaByte.

So e.g to download GTA V a fairly old game you need 93 GB = 2 hours and 6 minutes (so your 50GB game would take 1 hours and 10 minutes or more not 8 minutes) .

And that's with you hogging a 100mbps line and assuming you want to download only one game (I have ~ 300 games in my library and its not a "big" many people here have a lot more)


try now to do the same with a 24mbps line that's 8 hours and again assuming you can hog on that line alone and do nothing else even for yourself just letting 100% of your speed going towards the game download (no youtube or whatever even for you )

引用自 nullable：

Quick question, what percentage of your day is spent transferring games around? I mean, I know I don't do it all that often so I'd say something like 0.0001% or some other ridiculously small number.

Quite a lot, especially if for laptops and stuff since my game library is more than 10 TB (terabyte) and my laptops has only 2TB of space so I delete games I dont play now in order to install a new one so i redownload them from my NAS when I want to replay them (especially classics like GTAV ) etc

I imagine same would go in a family setup with children and especially if parents game to and and also lan parties (which btw are more popular in places with lower internet speed so one more reason to have better ethernet)

引用自 nullable：

Yeah man, sounds like you're not the target demographic. Maybe you should just build your own machine if you have such strong opinions.

Actually I think I am the main demographic, guy who plays in lanparties and has about 300 games in his library would be the guy who would buy a special steam box , a guy who rarely plays games or just has a few is less likely to splurge for a specialized device.

引用自 nullable：

Your concern still seems to be that the machine wasn't built around you. Who are you again?

No this is you who does that thinking 100mbps is the mean because you have 100 mbps ignoring averages per country etc thinking that people dont delete and redownload games because you dont do that etc while there is even specialized software to help exactly do this (google steam lancache) there wouldnt be a community around it if not many would use such a thing ..

引用自 nullable：

So you're saying that it won't be able to run any game released on PC at 4k 60FPS? Ok... who claimed it would run every game at 4k 60FPS? Do you see the problem with all or nothing thinking?

Valve did.. https://psteamproxy.yuanyoumao.com/sale/steammachine scroll somwhere at the middle you will find this " 4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR, thanks to a discrete semi-custom AMD desktop class CPU and GPU."

引用自 nullable：

I mean it's a PC, most PC's can't run "everything" in 4K 60FPS except maybe the tippy top highend machines, and that only lasts for a bit as new and more demanding games come out. Being unrealistic isn't some big brained argument.

Nobody said to run EVERY single game but there is also the other site not being able to run ANY game

And at what cost... if its going to cost as much as a PC that CAN run most games at 4K 60 but steam machine CANT then yea its a big deal.

引用自 Dj_Zorbas：

I just hope it wont become the parody of old steamboxes where they asked from you to sell your car in order to have enough money to buy what was essentially a toaster that could play your games at 25fps... with some hiccups! Or sell your house if you wanted a little faster toaster that actually barely could play your games at 60 fps... <--- this is why steamboxes failed.

引用自 nullable：

It's a prebuilt PC. Why is everyone acting so weird about a prebuilt PC?

Because it is a purpose build prebuild PC with a purpose build specialized OS made for Steam an people want it to fair good and have a meaning and not be just a meaningless average or worse than that prebuild PC.

引用自 smokerob79：

most people still dont have internet over 300mb......why would they need anything more then a 1gb connection???

Because if you dont have 1gbps (or a very fast e.g 100 mbps and up ) connection you NEED to have fast ETHERNET/LAN unless you dont have many games in your steam library then its not an issue for you because a couple of TB will be enough for you.

引用自 smallcat：

Only pirates need NAS like storage . it doesnt have an APU , you have overlooked this . Who has 1Gb Internet ?

As I mentioned replying to the ther guy above my steam library is more than 10TB and I dont have a particularly big steam library and in fact many new games are missing (most newer games have enormous file size some even more than 200GB PER GAME e.g CoD or ARK etc)

I need a NAS because otherwise I would have to delete games and redownoad them on my friends laptops/PCs (when lanpartying) or my machines because I cant have 10TB disks in every machine I am using ! especially in laptops and handhelds..

also most of my devices are used for other stuff other than gaming so even when I have almost as much space e.g my main desktop has 8TB of space I use it for other stuff non game related.

Which means i have to temporarily delete games from my physical machines in order to make space for new ones or for other stuff, and when I want to revisit said games I just download them form the nas at very fast speeds (in my case 10gbps but also 2.5gbps is not that discouraging )

As far as the APU goes it mentions it in the landing page "4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR, thanks to a discrete semi-custom AMD desktop class CPU and GPU."

Which ok it could mean that it will have a discrete GPU but I doubt it it would probably have a beefier apu compared to the steam deck. the question is how much beefier though.

引用自 smokerob79：

most people still dont have internet over 300mb......why would they need anything more then a 1gb connection???

Best one I ever read: Gives them an edge playing online games...

引用自 x：

P.S. I have 100Mbps internet. I'd love to have more but it's not worth the price difference as I am on an older, cheaper deal. There are multiple devices at home using the internet, including PCs and TV. It's more than enough. A game takes a little longer to download? Like the Brits say, "put a kettle on".

Yes 100Mbps is dream speed for many people around the globe if you visit https://www.speedtest.net/global-index

you will see more than HALF the countries AVERAGES are BELLOW 100mbps (that means that half the citizens have bellow the average and half above more simply and ballparking it)


same goes for the countries that have average speeds of about 100mbps... surely there are people in those countries rocking even gigabit speeds but for the average to be around 100 means that 50% of the people must have less to considerably less than 100 mbps...

So dont take it that you represent a baseline because you have 1gbps available yet you chose the cheaper 100mbps.. I mean good for you but many people dont even have the option to install 100mbps lines even if they wanted to !

@Dj_Zorbas , why storing many games ? i see no point in this .Keep installed only the active games .i have over 300 but play 10-20