As i was only using a VR Cardboard with my phone and the app VRridge and the app Driver4VR with joycons i am pretty hyped for the frame...

As it stands I like it but not enough to pull away from Quest 3, now if they had a Steam Frame Pro with the exact same spec but 3000x3000 micro OLED I would have been game for that.

引用自 wing0zero：

As it stands I like it but not enough to pull away from Quest 3, now if they had a Steam Frame Pro with the exact same spec but 3000x3000 micro OLED I would have been game for that.

Coming from a Quest 3 things are different as the specs seems almoust the same ^^

Coming from a cardboard and an almoust thinkering solution you can only win grabbing the new one...

No, I think it's exactly what VR needs. A reasonably priced standalone/mobile VR option that doesn't come from Meta, is linux-compatible, and can optionally connects to PC/console to improve graphics, wireless capability.

There are a lot of people who had limited ability to get into VR either because of price, or because they're on linux (meta requires windows), or because they want wireless but don't like meta.

Steam Frame seems like it fills a gap in the market we needed.

It also makes sense Steam's VR headset should be a more basic / cheaper model, because Steam can sell the hardware at a loss to price it more aggressively by planning to make it up with software sales. Other VR hardware companies can't do that, except Meta. But not everyone wants to buy Meta...

So this provides a much-needed option for a lot of people. Let other VR companies make the high-end headsets.

A lot of people were extremely unhappy with the Valve Index at launch because it was an expensive headset. Valve needs to keep the price reasonable to get more people into VR.

The high end of the market already has lots of options like Bigscreen Beyond and others, but there aren't a lot of reasonably priced options that don't come from Meta.

And all with the ease-of-use and ease-of-setup the Quest headsets have. It sounds great to me.

the controllers are a level up

the new PCVR wireless methodology is a level up

a native PC on your face running steamOS , or anything else you wanna do, is a MAJOR level up

no im not disappointed in the Frame and it's all very much welcomed changes to what ive been doing on the Quests or the Index all this time. woulda been dope if they could have released a wireless dongle such as this for the INdex.. but then again the reason it's going to work so well on the Frame is because of the eye tracking & Foveated Streaming which the Index can't do.

the Frame is going to be fire.

引用自 temps：

Valve needs to keep the price reasonable to get more people into VR.

I've never understood why they don't do a super basic unit for people to dip their toes, no compute or cameras in it, just 2 screens, lenses, few sensors for tracking, two basic Quest style controllers, wired and sell it close to cost, sure you could do a unit like that for £200 or maybe even less.

引用自 temps：

No, I think it's exactly what VR needs.

I don't want to seem like I'm bashing it as a product. I'm absolutely not.

But as someone with a dedicated home VR kit and a high end PC to drive high quality VR. I don't need a headset with it's own PC in it.

I have a computer for that already. Give me high resolution, Give me outside in tracking and give me a price to reflect that and I'll pay it.

Steam Frame looks awfully similar to an AR headset, just bulkier as of VR. VR streaming? Can we get true AR as this is newer tech and superior to VR which has been outdated.

引用自 Evil Ninetales：

引用自 temps：

No, I think it's exactly what VR needs.

I don't want to seem like I'm bashing it as a product. I'm absolutely not.

But as someone with a dedicated home VR kit and a high end PC to drive high quality VR. I don't need a headset with it's own PC in it.

I have a computer for that already. Give me high resolution, Give me outside in tracking and give me a price to reflect that and I'll pay it.

And there is your problem.

You're looking at it from a YOU perspective.

Look..I have the index and Vive. I know what the set up is and the lighthouse play space etc etc.
It is, as you said, a dedicated space for dedicated VR gaming with a dedicated high end PC for said gaming.

And believe me, It's the only way to race or do anything sim pit for me now.


But it turns out that's not what the masses want, can afford or even use! And that is why the meta quest sold so well.

Now....again I'm "semi" on your side here. If I replace my Index then yes, I want something better (on paper).

But here's the thing with the Frame.

It's a genius move by Valve.

A self contained VR gaming PC headset in effect. One that is (apparently) on par with the Index visually.

Now I've seen a few demos of it and a few people who know VR talking about it who've demo'd it. Yeah as a stand alone it wont compare to a dedicated higher end PC (I'll come back to this).

But it's a portable unit. I can take it anywhere and do a lot of VR gaming with it anywhere now.
Even better, it's a portable games unit as well. I'm going on a 6 hour coach trip..cool I can slap on my headset, load up Hollow knight (or whatever else standard game) and play that on a giant virtual screen for a few hours or watch a movie.

that in itself offers more than the index does.

But when I come home, I can just connect it to my PC and stream direct to the headset from that.

So the headset does have a lot of appeal to a large market in that regard. No more messing about with lighthouses. No more setting up dedicated spaces. Just put it on, set it up and go. Considering its capable of playing HL: Alyx stand alone it's no slouch hardware wise....but like I said, if you have a beast of a PC, you can connect it with a wireless connector (included) and ramp everything up to max via the PC.

So...thats got a wide appeal and is much more powerful than the quest.

And to be honest I do think we will see a refresh of the index soon anyway. But the Frame is Valves priority...and to me it makes sense that it had to be. Widest possible market appeal to entice a whole army of new VR uses that may, so far have been holding off because they did not want anything Facebook and did not want a wired VR experiance either (which factoring PC and Index into account could turn out to be a few thousand dollars for a lot of people.

No idea what the Frame will cost but I from what I'm hearing it will be comparable to the Quest...

So yeah..good thing for VR but not what most Index owners wanted (though personally I think I might get one just for the freedom to take it anywhere with me).

引用自 Evil Ninetales：

But as someone with a dedicated home VR kit and a high end PC to drive high quality VR. I don't need a headset with it's own PC in it.

you're going to be using that high end PC to stream to the Frame. the premium streaming is the primary emphasis they're advertising here.. with the onboard SteamOS doodad a sort of bonus addon offering more versatility and usefulness. but with the streaming it's going to be just as good of an experience as the index except more comfortable and no goofy cable attached to your head. and no base stations drilled into your walls that all your house guests think are cameras and think you're weird.

from the hands on testing all the titans of youtube were talking about it is sounding as if the sound quality (no pun intended) is the only possible downgrade we will notice. which is why you're going to see my index speakers duck taped to the sides of the Frame strap.

I'm hoping it's price explains it all. If this is the cheapest decent VR headset it would be perfect from people like me who have very little cash. So fingers crossed that it's (relatively) cheap.

That said the main thing that gives me pause are the controllers. They look like you could launch them to the moon if you got too excited.

The Steam Frame was never meant to be the successor to the Index.

引用自 Crowbot：

That said the main thing that gives me pause are the controllers. They look like you could launch them to the moon if you got too excited.

They have an optional extra accessory pack with straps.

引用自 psi onix：

you're going to be using that high end PC to stream to the Frame.

But I'm not though.

If I've already got the Vive or the Index. Why would I buy the frame?

Other than the portability it doesn't have anything the vive or index could do better.

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Again I sound like I'm bashing the frame and I'm sorry if I come across as that but I'm just a little sad it's not a direct upgrade to the index. That's all.

I hope many get the frame and get to enjoy the same amazing VR experiences I've been enjoying for years.

it's worth it ( If the price is right! ).

any way you look at it, its much better than nvidia fake frames

引用自 _I_：

any way you look at it, its much better than nvidia fake frames

Anything is better than nvidia fake frames.