Xuild 11 月 13 日 上午 4:09
will the steam machine have upgrade support?
yeah i know its probably overpriced and garbage in general but just wondering if it has any sort of upgrade potential
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EniGmA 11 月 13 日 上午 5:39 
No it will not. The CPU and GPU are BGA type that is soldered on to the main board. The only thing up in the air is that the main RAM is supposed to be sodimm slots, so if that is true you can upgrade the main RAM. Which wont matter that much as 16GB is perfectly fine for the other specs of this. The bios is also mostly locked down with only a few options that can be changed, which means you likely wont be able to set higher RAM speeds or tighter timings, so a RAM upgrade again becomes mostly pointless.

You can also upgrade the NVME drive for more storage as well.
最后由 EniGmA 编辑于; 11 月 13 日 上午 5:40
Xuild 11 月 13 日 上午 5:44 
引用自 EniGmA
No it will not. The CPU and GPU are BGA type that is soldered on to the main board. The only thing up in the air is that the main RAM is supposed to be sodimm slots, so if that is true you can upgrade the main RAM. Which wont matter that much as 16GB is perfectly fine for the other specs of this. The bios is also mostly locked down with only a few options that can be changed, which means you likely wont be able to set higher RAM speeds or tighter timings, so a RAM upgrade again becomes mostly pointless.

You can also upgrade the NVME drive for more storage as well.
may as well just get a budget build with steamOS and the controller
x 11 月 13 日 上午 6:34 
引用自 Xuild
引用自 EniGmA
No it will not. The CPU and GPU are BGA type that is soldered on to the main board. The only thing up in the air is that the main RAM is supposed to be sodimm slots, so if that is true you can upgrade the main RAM. Which wont matter that much as 16GB is perfectly fine for the other specs of this. The bios is also mostly locked down with only a few options that can be changed, which means you likely wont be able to set higher RAM speeds or tighter timings, so a RAM upgrade again becomes mostly pointless.

You can also upgrade the NVME drive for more storage as well.
may as well just get a budget build with steamOS and the controller

That is basically it. A "proper" PC will always be "better" for those that know at least a tiny little bit about PCs. You can even go to a local store, pick the parts (or ask for help picking) and they will build a machine for you (at least my local computer shop does). A few years ago I told them "I want a computer like this prebuild but want to change this, this and this". They sent me the price for the changes (and it was a reasonable price difference for each part) and that was it.
However, I got the PC without OS (as always). So I installed my own OS. One of the things that the shop "messed up" was that they didn't activate XMP for the 3200MHz RAM and the drive wasn't partitioned very well (came with freeOS if I recall). Obviously, not a big deal for someone that knows a little, but for the rest.... And those are the "little" things that should be good about the steam machine. Should be optimised right out of the box.

For the same reason that a console is amazing for people that don't know anything about computers (not that they are bad for those that know). Now, it will come down to the price. If it's cheaper than an "equivalent" pc, then just maybe... Still, for those with limited space and that don't know or don't care about specs, it just might be brilliant. Just like consoles used to be (these days, I'm not so sure). My xbox series s 1TB + 1 controller cost me 275 euros 2 years ago. I would need about 3x the same money for "equivalent" specs PC. At the time the console made sense mostly with gamepass. Now, it does not, so we need to look at the steam machine in that light, alongside the current hardware price tag.

Honestly, I think that Valve tends do get these things a little bit wrong, especially when it comes to marketing. OK, the steam deck and the VR goggles were mostly targetted towards gamers. But the previous steam "console" wasn't really marketed to the masses. And let's face it, the "gamer" is not exactly the right target market for a budget machine. Steam needs to market to the non gamers, so that means advertising in mainstream media, not gamer related media, as steam often does. Also, some of the specs (like the HMDI) could have been better, but my xbox series s has HDMI 2.1 but only comes with 2.0 cable, and the console probably doesn't "need" 2.1. Haven't seen a single complaint about it. But that ties up to what I said about the marketing. Here on steam forums we are more likely to see hardcore gamers talk about how "low" the cube's specs are, but those are not the target audience.

One thing I think steam needs to get better is family accounts. With xbox both me and the kid have separate accounts on the same console. We both have our own saves. On steam, we "share" saves. If both want to play the same game, that could lead to trouble.
Probably not. You'll get the option to change ssd but I doubt there will a be an upgrade path.

Frankly I don't see the appeal. In 2023-24 you could've built a budget setup. Even now -if it weren't for the skyrocketing ram prices- you could choose cheap intel lga1700 and buy a used 4070. It will cost you more than what valve is asking for but at least you have options regarding upgrades in the future.

14600k is plenty capable and was on sale for 160$ last month. Used 4070 sells for 350-450. I simply don't see the appeal of 700+ cube that has no upgrade path, probably lacks fsr4 support and will be obsolete in 2 years.
This seems like the exact same setup that ruined the chance of steam hardware 20 years ago.
Zef 11 月 13 日 下午 4:19 
Probably not. You'll get the option to change ssd but I doubt there will a be an upgrade path.

Frankly I don't see the appeal. In 2023-24 you could've built a budget setup. Even now -if it weren't for the skyrocketing ram prices- you could choose cheap intel lga1700 and buy a used 4070. It will cost you more than what valve is asking for but at least you have options regarding upgrades in the future.

14600k is plenty capable and was on sale for 160$ last month. Used 4070 sells for 350-450. I simply don't see the appeal of 700+ cube that has no upgrade path, probably lacks fsr4 support and will be obsolete in 2 years.
This seems like the exact same setup that ruined the chance of steam hardware 20 years ago.

this isnt for you (pc builders) its for noobs that want a simple entree level gaming pc within valves ecosystem
引用自 Zef
Probably not. You'll get the option to change ssd but I doubt there will a be an upgrade path.

Frankly I don't see the appeal. In 2023-24 you could've built a budget setup. Even now -if it weren't for the skyrocketing ram prices- you could choose cheap intel lga1700 and buy a used 4070. It will cost you more than what valve is asking for but at least you have options regarding upgrades in the future.

14600k is plenty capable and was on sale for 160$ last month. Used 4070 sells for 350-450. I simply don't see the appeal of 700+ cube that has no upgrade path, probably lacks fsr4 support and will be obsolete in 2 years.
This seems like the exact same setup that ruined the chance of steam hardware 20 years ago.

this isnt for you (pc builders) its for noobs that want a simple entree level gaming pc within valves ecosystem
700+ for simple entry gaming PC within valve's ecosystem? Your money, your choice. Idc to argue with that.
SalvadorSIX7 11 月 13 日 下午 4:28 
RAM and SSD honestly get a Oostar Mini PC it will be monumentally better you can install SteamOS or Bazzite
Haruspex 11 月 13 日 下午 4:42 
引用自 SalvadorSIX7
RAM and SSD honestly get a Oostar Mini PC it will be monumentally better you can install SteamOS or Bazzite
Mini PCs are great. I really like them, but most of them will have onboard graphics. There's nothing wrong with onboard graphics. They've actually gotten really good lately, but none of them will begin to be able to match the performance of a dedicated GPU. You can get a small form factor PC with dedicated graphics, but those start at around $1,000, and go up from there. I would bet that the Steam Machine will be the cheapest mini PC you can buy with dedicated graphics, and the best price/performance ratio of any PC on the market.
SalvadorSIX7 11 月 13 日 下午 4:48 
引用自 Haruspex
引用自 SalvadorSIX7
RAM and SSD honestly get a Oostar Mini PC it will be monumentally better you can install SteamOS or Bazzite
Mini PCs are great. I really like them, but most of them will have onboard graphics. There's nothing wrong with onboard graphics. They've actually gotten really good lately, but none of them will begin to be able to match the performance of a dedicated GPU. You can get a small form factor PC with dedicated graphics, but those start at around $1,000, and go up from there. I would bet that the Steam Machine will be the cheapest mini PC you can buy with dedicated graphics, and the best price/performance ratio of any PC on the market.
The Oostar GODZ it has an onboard Desktop GPU
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