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https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/workstations/ryzen-threadripper/9000-wx-series/amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-9955wx.html
Prepare to pay a price accordingly for a HEDT and paired Motherboard though.
There really is not the market for such a processor any more so I cannot see anyone cutting into their bottom line to create it.
It's worth pointing out you get more PCI Express lanes than you stated on consumer hardware through chipsets. Yes, they have a shared bandwidth "bottleneck" so if you need full speed to a vast amount of devices all of the time, then yes, you'll see limitations on consumer hardware, but if you have a workload that actually needs those things, then you are probably doing something where HEDT pays for itself.
If you're just some hobbyists who wants something exotic because you feel insecure about being on the same hardware as the plebeians, then maybe you'll find current HEDT hardware too expensive. But in that case, you need to get over any insecurities you have. It's not like you're less of a person if consumer hardware serves you sufficiently.
HEDT itself is already a platform between consumer hardware and server hardware. There is no need for another intermediary "poor person's HEDT" in between those.
for extreme high end pc games / early adopters
that want more than the mainstream can offer and tomorrows features a few years early and are willing to pay a premium for that.
who want no comprimise in gaming performance (which you will get with xeon/treadripper) vs mainsteam but want extra things on top..
extra cores thus are irrelevant
(having 8 cores when mainstream still had 4 did matter... but today that is a non issue)
it was always about the extra ram lanes, extra pcie lanes, and tomorrows technolony a few years early... for a price thats considerbly higher than mainstream but not as idiotic as xeons/treadrippers can go for.
aka professional treadrippers/xeons cost 5000-20000 and totally suck in gaming
mainsteam cpu's cost 150-600
hedt has a price in between but performs as good as mainstream in gaming with added stuff on top.
basicly hedt is the "enthousiast" linne of consumer products.. where treadripper is more akin to what xeons are..
and well firstly "cause it can" those with the money to burn just like to have the best regardless if it's relevant.
but having more than one gen 5 m.2 slot without having to sacrifice the number of lanes on my gpu... and also more than one usb 4 slot, firebolt 5, 10gbit and 8 sataslots.. aka such a board would allow much more expandability... both now and in the future... meaning it will be able to chug along a decade from now.. when the mainstream have long since lost it's relevance (try comparing an 5960x with 128gb ddr4 vs a 4970k mainstream
in games both performed basicly the same despite the 5960x costing 1300 euro and the 4960k only 350 euro
and a x99 motherboard 500 euro while a motherboard for the 4960k was only 130 euro
BUT
having 128gb ddr4 in 8x16 with quad channel is a lot more relevant than having 32gb ddr3 (4x8)
-> having an m.2 slot even if it is gen 3 vs only sata slots again makes the hedt platform able to still be functional unlike the mainstream.
-> usb 3.1 10gbit which the 4960k did not even closely have again makes it much more relevant.
and unlike the 4970k it has a header where you can ad a chipp that makes it compatable with windows 11.
**and while it's big selling point the 4x16 sli is no longer relevant with plugin cards to convert those to more m.2 slots.. and using them to add wifi 7 and usb 4.. bandwith the 4970k does not have.
in short... hedt is "bragging rights/because it can" + futureproofing.. without sacrificing on gaming performance today.
If you want to get into this platform then it exists and you can get into it right now but even then. what is your specific use case that you really want such a platform?
like how a current 9950X3D or i9 14900K would limit you that you absolutely have to go HEDT?
The thread starter has pushed this same idea in other posts, and has commonly pushed other similar ideas. They are commonly stating that everything is wrong with the hardware market if things like "Intel needs to be the premium offering and AMD needs to be the cheap alternative" (I wish I was kidding but they've literally claimed this) or "certain things aresn't advancing at the same/linear rate it was in the past" or "thing doesn't exist with X specifications at Y price", and so on.
You probably won't be able to reach them with logic by telling them things change for particular reasons (such as hardware isn't advancing at the rate it was because it's getting harder). They only seem to want things exactly as they used to be and exactly as they prefer them.
no treadripper comes even CLOSE to 9800x3d performance in games
thus they are not the proper pick
I mean at face value :
AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 9955WX Boxed at 1600 euro is cheaper than i would be willing to pay.
but there are very few motherboards for it... this one
Gigabyte TRX50 AI TOP-2B
but it still lacks...
first and foremost.. in game performance.. where hedt always were equal or very close to the
best mainstream gpu in gaming.. 9800x3d leaves it in the dust.. bigtime.
***perhaps if amd would just make an treadripper x3d. or just make a treadrupper variant of the 9800x3d.. with the same speed but with those extra lanes and ramlanes.
no treadrippers are not proper enthousiast cpu's and more "workstation cpu's" like xeons.
I also not need 16 cores.. but I do need performance in games equal to the best on the market (and ideally surpassing it paying a premium)
and when i look at this board.. it does not deliver properly the enthousiast level one wants
sure in some regards thanks the many lanes of treadripper :
**64 lanes go to 4x pci gen 5 x16
ok that deliveres plenty of expantion capacity)
and you DO get two instead of 1 usb 4 slots (sadly non headed to the front)
as well as 10gbit lan and gen 7 wifi
but than it falls flat.
**the audiochip is lacking (4080 instead of 1220 you would expect or even better after all enthousiast expects premium)
***no extra durable overclocking condensors..
***no more than 4 m.2 slots.. nor more than 4 sata slots.. both things you would like to see
***no firebolt 5 let alone 8 lane
and NO "future tech" than will not come mainstream at all.. heck mainstream has features you won't find on treadripper boards..
so we need basicly a treadripper with x3d memory and less cores (to allow better game performance as you not need 16 at all)
as well as better more enthousiast motherboards for it (which would only happen if amd made such a clearly gamer oriented x3d treadripper
you remember my old posts better than i apearingly.
but yeah for most of gaming history intel was the expensive but more stable and slighly faster pick
and amd was the bang for buck pick..
the gap never was as big as during the fx years... but basicly with amd you accepted basicly a blue screen of death every 30 minutes and a 10% performance cut.. but you would be paying 50% less than for the best intel cpu.. and 35% less than the next best intel cpu that would be on equal performance level.
and I am still pissed about ryzen and want intel to catch up and put amd back in their place (even though with the current idiots running intel that does not seem to happen anytime soon)
hedt was not really a thing for most this history... you had mainstream intel and xeon for workstations..
and I always spurged the extra money to get the best intel had to offer instead of going for the more bang for buck amd option.
hedt did not apear until very very late (after all I have been buying pc's since the 80s)
the 2008 i7 265k extreme with tri-channel memory for 6 memory slots.. and many futuristic bells and whisles that would not come to mainstream for a few years.
and this trend continued... right upto the x299 platform... and the last cpu for it i9-10980XE
in 2019 (though by than it was already a bit irrelevant due to many cores.. not enough performance per core as you wanted)
the upcoming x399 platform which would have increase the memory to 6 lanes and bring ddr5 was due the rise of ryzen cancelled.
ryzen murder of intel has forced intel to increase the number of cores on mainstream.
but it also killed HEDT and returned to just 2 platforms mainstream and workstation.. and killed the enthousiast layer.
but thats really sad..
-for to go back from 6 ram lanes and 12 usuable ram slots to 2
-and to go back from 48 lanes back to 28
while the x399 platforms would have had 8 ram lanes and 16 usuable ddr5 slots
and 64 lanes..
so it's not just a case of "mainstream has catched up you now get those futuristic features and extra cores on mainstream without paying hedt prices"
even IF that is true.. than why has mainstream not also gotten the lanes and ddr lanes of hedt..
hedt was never about the "needing more cores" and if it was it was in a time mainstream only has 4 cores.. no gaming pc needs more than 8 processes and thus cores.. it was about those other features without sacrificing gaming performance..
more than 8 cores are irrelevant.
having 9800x3d performance ideally more than that in games.
but also get future things a few years early
**ddr6? wifi 8? security features win 11 now demands.. such things and more always apeared more than 1 generation before mainstream on hedt.. some did become outdated (e-sata never catched on) but it still is nice..
and on top of that get many more lanes for extra expantion ability.. and many more ram lanes..
basicly it's like a toyota of 30000 euro is already the fastest car.. why would you buy a 1 million ferrari that performs in racing exactly the same..
cause it has other features outside that racing that the toyota does not have.. and bragging rights.
but nobody wants to buy a ferrari that in a race looses to a toyota of 30000 euro...
I not want a cpu that performs less than the best there is.. but I also not want to take a step back in ram lanes and pci lanes.
my proposed chip with just 10 cores would be much closer to an 9800x3d in cores and performance than to even that mere 16 core treadripper.
and with 68 lanes it would have considerably more than the 9800x3d but only about halve the treadrippers.
it's 8 lane ddr would be equal to treadrippers.. but the desired improved memory controller to allow 8800mhz ddr5 (and if the cpu is placed on a future board which will come out when ddr6 enters the market. you could use such a newer motherboard with todays processor.. and have ddr6 a few years before it will come to mainstream.
thats basicly what hedt is.
it truely fis a halfwaypoint between the standard ryzens and treadrippers with something extra sprinkled in for good measures
no idiotic amount of cores or processes
but equal or better performance to the best gaming cpu
--- with extra's
is it possible that amd could make it? yes... if you add x3d even to the current gen of treadrippers.. and make one with 8 cores not 16 while maintaining it's 330w draw..
it is quite feasable one could get 9800x3d performance or even a bit above that.
(ofcourse no sane person would pay 2000 euro for a cpu that only performs 5% better than an 9800x3d that costs 350 euro.. especially if they need to pay 1000 euro for a motherboard for it vs the 300 euro for a 870E motherboard.
and with less lanes and cores than other treadrippers it is also not likely to apeal to the workstation crowd.
and the bells and whisles of a proper decked motherboard with lane layout as I listed in starting post... it may apeal to those seeking large storage too..
(there are aplications benefiting from higher single core performance + more storage.. vs what even treadrippers can offer) add the better audio chip the conveniance of firebolt 5, front usb 4.. instead of just in the back.. and you get a package that might also apeal to those working with audio/video that needs both that fast firebolt as well as lots of storage options..
but its main focus would be gamers who want the best.. and who want moar...than mainsteam + a taste of tomorrow.. it would be worth it
aka when just normal high end is not high end enough.. those who not want a mere 3-4k pc but a 10k gaming rig.
also.. the important things
-> it;'s performance in gaming sucks vs the 9800x3d
-> more than 8 cores is irrelevant
and THE 3 things to pick HEDT
**it has only 20 lanes.. thats even LESS than the 28 of 9800x3d
(compared to hedt boards with 32, 40, 48 and the planned 68 lanes for x399
**it has the same 2 ddr5 lanes.. still to few and it's max speed if both let alone all 4 slots are in use is no higher
(compared to hedt boards with 8 or even 12 and the planned x399 with 16 slots)
-> it has no future tech early.
hedt = equal or better gaming performance than mainstream
+ more pci lanes and expantions
+ much more ramlanes (and getting new ddr generations earlier than mainstream and running at higher speeds than mainstream)
+ future features it gets earlier than mainstream (futureproving)
for a price thats steep for consumers.. but still "affordable"
the 1600-2000 euro chip usually is the top chip in the hedt lineup.. which thus is 3-4 times the price as the best mainstream chip. compared to that treadripper chips start at that pricepoint.. while they have no where near all these desired things.
if no return to hedt than at LEAST mainstream ryzens should get 8 ddr lanes and can run 16 ddr 4 8800mhz with its' new controller.
and also get 64 pcie lanes.. with all the connectivity listed.
aka integrate not just the extra cores but also the extra ram lanes and pci lanes into mainstream aka the ACTUAL reason people bought hedt.