Please revamp the time out/ban system.
Fist up. Multiple is not 2.
2 is a couple
3 is a few
4 is multiple
5 is a fist full.

Seriously it makes it too easy for some one with an ax to grind to check posts in other forums to find older posts to report, that no one in said forum saw fit to report, just to give you an automatic month off.

More over it discourages activity in more then one forum. So I'd like to recommend resetting the auto month off for concurrent time outs/bans to 4. So it is actuate for multiple bans/time outs.

I'd also ask forum moderator to read the thread the flagged post is in. In my experience the one flagged post is never the only ToS violation in a thread. Quit often the flagged post is by some one that has been goaded in to violating the ToS, which is a ToS violation.

My biggest issue is the flag system it's self. Once you put the forum moderation in the hands of it's posters it becomes all about the feels not the violations.

My experience posts do not get flagged for violating the ToS they get flagged because they hurt some ones feels so they reported it. You get the time out for the violation, but that wasn't why the post was reported.

Yes, I am abrasive, sardonic, argumentative, and can be quite condescending. Those are not violations I have ever been banned for, but they are why I get reported.

I've got 18 forum bans, 3 discord bans, steam time outs stacked like cord wood. I'm going to be me. And if I get a day or 2 off, I probably deserved it and should have ignored the provocation; which is really hard for me to do.

But a month off because some vindictive soul hunted though 4 other forums to find a weeks old post in one that violated the ToS, is absurd.

So calling 2 multiple makes it too easy to get a month off, ought to be 4.

Moderators not reading threads means people get banned out of context and there may be others in the thread the need to join them.

Couple simple things I know wont happen, but requesting anyway.
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pckirk 12 月 6 日 下午 1:45 
This is also a user to user ONLY steam related sub-forum. No steam staff or employees here. Only fellow users.
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Please revamp the time out/ban system.

Fist up. Multiple is not 2.
2 is a couple
3 is a few
4 is multiple
5 is a fist full.

Seriously it makes it too easy for some one with an ax to grind to check posts in other forums to find older posts to report, that no one in said forum saw fit to report, just to give you an automatic month off.

More over it discourages activity in more then one forum. So I'd like to recommend resetting the auto month off for concurrent time outs/bans to 4. So it is actuate for multiple bans/time outs.

I'd also ask forum moderator to read the thread the flagged post is in. In my experience the one flagged post is never the only ToS violation in a thread. Quit often the flagged post is by some one that has been goaded in to violating the ToS, which is a ToS violation.

My biggest issue is the flag system it's self. Once you put the forum moderation in the hands of it's posters it becomes all about the feels not the violations.

My experience posts do not get flagged for violating the ToS they get flagged because they hurt some ones feels so they reported it. You get the time out for the violation, but that wasn't why the post was reported.

Yes, I am abrasive, sardonic, argumentative, and can be quite condescending. Those are not violations I have ever been banned for, but they are why I get reported.

I've got 18 forum bans, 3 discord bans, steam time outs stacked like cord wood. I'm going to be me. And if I get a day or 2 off, I probably deserved it and should have ignored the provocation; which is really hard for me to do.

But a month off because some vindictive soul hunted though 4 other forums to find a weeks old post in one that violated the ToS, is absurd.

So calling 2 multiple makes it too easy to get a month off, ought to be 4.

Moderators not reading threads means people get banned out of context and there may be others in the thread the need to join them.

Couple simple things I know wont happen, but requesting anyway.

The meaning of MULTIPLE is consisting of, including, or involving more than one.

:nkCool:
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
The meaning of MULTIPLE is consisting of, including, or involving more than one.

:nkCool:

Does not change my argument the the "multiple forum bans" should be 4 not 2.
Technically 2 is multiple but if you say multiple most people are not going to think a couple.
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
The meaning of MULTIPLE is consisting of, including, or involving more than one.

:nkCool:

Does not change my argument the the "multiple forum bans" should be 4 not 2.
Technically 2 is multiple but if you say multiple most people are not going to think a couple.

That's the literal definition. It's not my fault people can't look it up.

:nkCool:
最后由 cSg|mc-Hotsauce 编辑于; 12 月 6 日 下午 3:04
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
That's the literal definition. It's not my fault people can't look it up.

:nkCool:

Ya I use that same jive when some one uses a term out side it's "literal" definition. Seems the presumed definition carries more weight the the actual definition. None the less does not change my argument.

"Seriously it makes it too easy for some one with an ax to grind to check posts in other forums to find older posts to report, that no one in said forum saw fit to report, just to give you an automatic month off."

But hun, if you want to continue to argue I'm you huckleberry.
Ben Lubar 12 月 6 日 下午 6:29 
I'm not sure what the actual times are, but if I was designing my own system and I saw someone breaking the rule they had just finished a punishment for breaking, I'd probably issue a harsher penalty the second time around.

This is after the person has already received enough warnings to warrant a ban. If someone can't be bothered to follow the rules of a business, the business isn't required to be bothered to host them.

Edit: wait, you have EIGHTEEN forum bans? you do know that most people on the platform have zero, right?
最后由 Ben Lubar 编辑于; 12 月 6 日 下午 6:31
引用自 Ben Lubar
I'm not sure what the actual times are, but if I was designing my own system and I saw someone breaking the rule they had just finished a punishment for breaking, I'd probably issue a harsher penalty the second time around.

This is after the person has already received enough warnings to warrant a ban. If someone can't be bothered to follow the rules of a business, the business isn't required to be bothered to host them.

Edit: wait, you have EIGHTEEN forum bans? you do know that most people on the platform have zero, right?


Lol, Everybody in here is innocent. Didn't you know that? Lol....
最后由 There are only 2 genders 编辑于; 12 月 6 日 下午 7:45
引用自 Ben Lubar
Edit: wait, you have EIGHTEEN forum bans? you do know that most people on the platform have zero, right?

Which means they are unaware of the issues in the system.

Take in to account I've been online longer then MMOs.

最后由 Deacon the destroyer 编辑于; 12 月 6 日 下午 8:06
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
2 is a couple

Correction, a pair.
Ben Lubar 12 月 6 日 下午 9:34 
引用自 Ben Lubar
Edit: wait, you have EIGHTEEN forum bans? you do know that most people on the platform have zero, right?

Which means they are unaware of the issues in the system.

Take in to account I've been online longer then MMOs.

At a certain point, it stops being "maybe they'll learn from the consequences of their actions this time" and becomes "we need to stop the person who is breaking the rules from continuing to break the rules"
deeper 12 月 6 日 下午 10:00 
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Yes, I am abrasive, sardonic, argumentative, and can be quite condescending. Those are not violations I have ever been banned for, but they are why I get reported.
But you admit that your posts sometimes break the TOS and people can find these in your posting history, stop giving people ammunition to invoke a ban and have each and every post you make, clearly and unambiguously fall within the TOS. And maybe, instead of being abrasive, argumentative and condescending (sardonic, is fine), try being more helpful, pleasant and/ or funny.
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
And if I get a day or 2 off, I probably deserved it and should have ignored the provocation; which is really hard for me to do.
Try harder or have this keep happening.
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
You get the time out for the violation, but that wasn't why the post was reported.
But you admit the violation, and exactly what aspect of the TOS did you break if it wasn't the one you were reported for?
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Take in to account I've been online longer then MMOs.
I've been on the platform twice as long as yourself and have not had a single ban/ timeout.
引用自 deeper
And maybe, instead of being abrasive, argumentative and condescending (sardonic, is fine), try being more helpful, pleasant and/ or funny.
Actually I am and do, but some people just want to poke the bear.

引用自 deeper
But you admit the violation, and exactly what aspect of the TOS did you break if it wasn't the one you were reported for?

It's not what the posters were reported for but that they only got reported because they hurt some ones fells not because of the violation. That is my main issue with the flag system.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Take in to account I've been online longer then MMOs.
引用自 deeper
I've been on the platform twice as long as yourself and have not had a single ban/ timeout.

I didn't say this platform, I said online, back when it was pretty much just forums. Back when online gaming was fan sites for single player games and LAN. I didn't get here till comparatively late in my online gaming life. Figure, what 30 some odd years?

And I can't think of much else to say about the "never got a time out" that wouldn't be condescending. I'm sorry, to me that is no sort of flex.

Yes, I have been online longer then some that are reading this now.

NOTE:
I want to thank the moderators for doing right by me with this thread. Kudos.
最后由 Deacon the destroyer 编辑于; 12 月 7 日 下午 1:48
Mad Scientist 12 月 7 日 下午 2:16 
引用自 Deacon the destroyer
My biggest issue is the flag system it's self.
Report system, flag systems are generally automated and internal.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Once you put the forum moderation in the hands of it's posters it becomes all about the feels not the violations.
Moderation isn't in the hands of people in the standard user group, all they can do is report something, like most places. The Moderation/Support teams, or Developer/Hub moderator teams determine if the report is actionable or not.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
My experience posts do not get flagged for violating the ToS they get flagged because they hurt some ones feels so they reported it.
Typically I see violations get flagged and removed rather quickly like spam, begging threads, advertising, trolling/nuisance behavior etc. Very few abuse the feature, and I have seen a troublemaker eat a ban for abusing it before.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
Yes, I am abrasive, sardonic, argumentative, and can be quite condescending. Those are not violations I have ever been banned for, but they are why I get reported.
The basic phrase here is "It's what you say and how you say it" that can be the difference in getting moderated, and nothing happening by being civil.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
I've got 18 forum bans, 3 discord bans, steam time outs stacked like cord wood. I'm going to be me. And if I get a day or 2 off, I probably deserved it and should have ignored the provocation; which is really hard for me to do.
18 is already a considerable amount, they do stack and can also trigger automated restrictions if getting hit in game hubs. Generally, avoiding what got the 18 is the way to avoid it increasing.

引用自 Deacon the destroyer
But a month off because some vindictive soul hunted though 4 other forums to find a weeks old post in one that violated the ToS, is absurd.
TBH it's likely someone happened to be looking for an answer to something or for a particular subject/game otherwise ended up there, didn't see the date, and reported it. Doubt anyone went out of their way to look for a violation from whenever in the past.
Watching someone's profile turn blank for thirty days is one of the greatest rewards Valve moderation gives me so I am perfectly fine with the situation as is.

That said I am biased as I always follow the rules. As you will see in this thread, it is very easy to cheerlead this sort of thing when it happens to other people. Calling someone a liar in two different boards, obviously against the rules and obviously always deserving of a ban, is still probably not a crime deserving of punitive and arbitrary lockout of the Steam client

But again I do find it very satisfying to see happen to others.
引用自 Mad Scientist
TBH it's likely someone happened to be looking for an answer to something or for a particular subject/game otherwise ended up there, didn't see the date, and reported it. Doubt anyone went out of their way to look for a violation from whenever in the past.
This is incorrect. The system as implemented literally incentivizes precisely the behavior alleged, precisely as Valve designed it. It is impossible to know which narrative is true as the system is totally anonymous, but to dismiss the possibility out of hand shows a lack of understanding of the system. It should not be surprising that punishing rule breakers gives satisfaction enough to incentivize assisting Valve in finding them.

Honestly, it is even a little silly to consider given how often you yourself have wanted to see more severe and demanding bans. What did you think that involved?
最后由 William Shakesman 编辑于; 12 月 7 日 下午 3:02
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