Damn was there a sale for tinfoilhats?

It's a really good thing that these forums are only monitored by the forum police.

Here's the difference between your nerd friends and Valve nerds. The Valve nerds have years more experience and billions more in revenue to their names.

Your nerd friends are really clueless if they think a prebuilt PC running Linux is going to kill consoles or that it's what console users have been waiting for to ditch consoles. They're also kidding themselves if they think that's Valve's goal.

Lots of people don't seem to understand that the gaming pie is big enough for the Steam Machine to be successful and have nothing much change.

The Steam Deck has been successful, I don't think it impacted Nintendo one bit...

Oprindeligt skrevet af Alexander:

Hi. I had a great discussion with my Nerd Friends about the SteamMachine. Here is an idea one came up with:

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"If I'm Steam, I would sell them at a price where I lose 10% per machine. And grab around 50% of customers who play games only on consoles.

You're assuming they are going after the console market.
Also thats a bad go for Valve. Consoles do that because they make up the losses in licensing, dev kit, and publishing fees. Valve doesn't have that and moreover they don't need it. Their market is steam users who want to play their games hassle free on their TV's.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Alexander:

Then in 6 months I would start to sell at a price that gives me 20% income per machine and blame it on expensive parts, like right now are RAM and graphics cards.

At which point your sales crater as the market rebels and people just make their own steam boxes or just stick to the desktop/laptop they already game on.

The main draw that the box comes with is that your STeam Library is already there.which says the market isn't really console gamers, a pure console gamer doesn't havbe a library to port over.

I really doubt steam machine will take over industry or its planned for that. Its very cool peace of hardware but I would be surprised if it will be more popular than deck.

Haha, great idea! Let's make sure we are in on the deal when the prices are still off by 20%.

Just another Steam Gate.

Meaning you are jumping through hoops to make steams machine work with steams services. yes you would think it would be easy , seemless, customer friendly, but nothing about steam is any of those.

steam deck while i see people say its been successful i just it based on its unsuccess as it isn't in my home, and it isn't in any of my friends homes, and i don't know 1 single person who actually has a steam deck in real life.

(except some guy working at gamestop a couple years back but he didn't seem very knowledgeable or overly excited about the product, just that he had just got one and we talked about game stop seling refurbished models. winter 2024 i think)

mean you might call Steam Deck successful based on how others in the industry have copied the idea and improved it, but from a consumer stand point, i feel Steam Deck and its Marketing and exposure to potential customers was a complete failure which lead to the whole market being lost and the product ultimately devalued by others creating better hand held pc's.

Steam machine while it feels like a console move for a younger gaming population could it really compete with a Epic Machine if they desided to do the same route?

Customers sooner or later clue in that they don't need steam to play games , and most online games they play on steam are going to be full of cheating, we had a discussion about steam machine hardware anti cheat and its basic steam forum yes men telling us no we can't anti cheat our hardware.

so steam machine users will be stuck in the same pool with pc cheaters on the same servers an limited to what they can do with steam machine in general.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Golden Unicorn:

Just another Steam Gate.

Meaning you are jumping through hoops to make steams machine work with steams services. yes you would think it would be easy , seemless, customer friendly, but nothing about steam is any of those.

steam deck while i see people say its been successful i just it based on its unsuccess as it isn't in my home, and it isn't in any of my friends homes, and i don't know 1 single person who actually has a steam deck in real life.

(except some guy working at gamestop a couple years back but he didn't seem very knowledgeable or overly excited about the product, just that he had just got one and we talked about game stop seling refurbished models. winter 2024 i think)

mean you might call Steam Deck successful based on how others in the industry have copied the idea and improved it, but from a consumer stand point, i feel Steam Deck and its Marketing and exposure to potential customers was a complete failure which lead to the whole market being lost and the product ultimately devalued by others creating better hand held pc's.

Steam machine while it feels like a console move for a younger gaming population could it really compete with a Epic Machine if they desided to do the same route?

Customers sooner or later clue in that they don't need steam to play games , and most online games they play on steam are going to be full of cheating, we had a discussion about steam machine hardware anti cheat and its basic steam forum yes men telling us no we can't anti cheat our hardware.

so steam machine users will be stuck in the same pool with pc cheaters on the same servers an limited to what they can do with steam machine in general.

Just because you didn’t get one for free doesn’t mean it was unsuccessful.

Oprindeligt skrevet af mldb88:

Just because you didn’t get one for free doesn’t mean it was unsuccessful.

thats true it doesn't but the fact i gave it consideration, seen what it could do, found out it has a huge cliff fall of hardware and software game issues, and then watched as steams clenched to its bottom line at internal customers, rather then promote the hardware to people who didn't really use steam.

success on breaking even in a market where you should make millions in profit is not success.

rog making a hand held pc that is aimed at everyone is success that steam over looked in its design.

hopefully steam machine isn't actually designed for only steam, it would be nice to see steam machine work something out with other console players to create a hybrid play anything machine.

steam os in my opinion is why steam deck failed, nobody knows steam os or how to use it or how to make it work with games, so failure for all those that don't wanna spend hours to play pong on a steam deck.

what steam needs to do , is aim steam products at every body, steam machine that can play your pc games, play your ps5 games, play your xbox games, play your GOG games and even stream your amazon prime games.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Golden Unicorn:

Oprindeligt skrevet af mldb88:

Just because you didn’t get one for free doesn’t mean it was unsuccessful.

thats true it doesn't but the fact i gave it consideration, seen what it could do, found out it has a huge cliff fall of hardware and software game issues, and then watched as steams clenched to its bottom line at internal customers, rather then promote the hardware to people who didn't really use steam.

success on breaking even in a market where you should make millions in profit is not success.

rog making a hand held pc that is aimed at everyone is success that steam over looked in its design.

And do you have any evidence to back up any of those false claims? The steam decks sales numbers and revenue alone just prove this is just you pulling your usual anti-steam misinformation schtick

stop dwelling on what you can't change and what steam did in the past, this is where we stand today, I am willing to forgive past mistakes but really how many more mistakes does steam have left in it?

This is it or its just another 3 year hype device that gets left in the dust as soon as another "better" manufacture starts producing a similar idea concept.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Golden Unicorn:

hopefully steam machine isn't actually designed for only steam, it would be nice to see steam machine work something out with other console players to create a hybrid play anything machine.

steam os in my opinion is why steam deck failed, nobody knows steam os or how to use it or how to make it work with games, so failure for all those that don't wanna spend hours to play pong on a steam deck.

what steam needs to do , is aim steam products at every body, steam machine that can play your pc games, play your ps5 games, play your xbox games, play your GOG games and even stream your amazon prime games.

SteamOS is linux, no one knows how to use linux?

The level of ignorant whimsy is astounding.

If you think it's trivial to make a machine that "plays everything" you should do it and clean house. I think you'll find something being easy to say doesn't make it easy to do.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Meisi:

Haha, great idea! Let's make sure we are in on the deal when the prices are still off by 20%.

I agree, Alexander has a great point with the prices and the exclusives.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Alexander:

(@Steam: If you decide to go with the idea of our friend, then 2% of the Revenue would be fair. 🙂)

FYI unsolicited "ideas" are worth $0.