Ìt really makes people angry, huh?
Get used to it.

i made a post like this a few days ago and wanna add my support to this one. hopefully if a bunch of requests like this get attention they'll do something about it :( its so frustrating that we're expected to tolerate blatant theft from artists

I remember when I used to sell electronics circa 2008-2009 or so. I would get these old guys in and demand to see the TVs that were "made in America". Spoiler; There are none. Absolutely zero televisions are made in the US. It doesn't matter how badly these old guys wanted a new TV that was made in the US. Unless they went to a thrift shop and bought some old Zenith tube TV from the 1990s, they weren't going to find one.

I feel like video games are rapidly becoming the same way when it comes to AI. There may come a day where to insist on only buying "AI free games" is to stop buying games entirely.

引用自 Haruspex：

I remember when I used to sell electronics circa 2008-2009 or so. I would get these old guys in and demand to see the TVs that were "made in America". Spoiler; There are none. Absolutely zero televisions are made in the US. It doesn't matter how badly these old guys wanted a new TV that was made in the US. Unless they went to a thrift shop and bought some old Zenith tube TV from the 1990s, they weren't going to find one.

I feel like video games are rapidly becoming the same way when it comes to AI. There may come a day where to insist on only buying "AI free games" is to stop buying games entirely.

That day is already here, every graphics program uses algorithmic generation to some extent. The whole boycott “AI” movement comes from ignorant people who have watched too many movies and don’t understand the tool.

引用自 Shreddy：

That day is already here, every graphics program uses algorithmic generation to some extent. The whole boycott “AI” movement comes from ignorant people who have watched too many movies and don’t understand the tool.

i'm not a luddite and i understand the tool just fine. it's an immoral technology based on rampant intellectual theft. anyone who doesn't take offense about that is a tech fetishist with bad morals. they tend to be pretty condescending and smug, too, as they hand waive the immorality. but, hey, great news! letting me block the stuff won't hurt you at all.

引用自 RedDirtTrooper：

引用自 Shreddy：

That day is already here, every graphics program uses algorithmic generation to some extent. The whole boycott “AI” movement comes from ignorant people who have watched too many movies and don’t understand the tool.

i'm not a luddite and i understand the tool just fine. it's an immoral technology based on rampant intellectual theft. anyone who doesn't take offense about that is a tech fetishist with bad morals. they tend to be pretty condescending and smug, too, as they hand waive the immorality. but, hey, great news! letting me block the stuff won't hurt you at all.

IP is theft from society. Whether you're talking about people being left to die because they can't afford insulin or hollywood descending into stagnation because it has to 'leverage its IP portfolio rather than making a new movie'.

This whole thing really hammered home to me that 99% of artists consider themselves temporarily embarassed capital and not labor.

引用自 Doctor Zalgo：

引用自 RedDirtTrooper：

i'm not a luddite and i understand the tool just fine. it's an immoral technology based on rampant intellectual theft. anyone who doesn't take offense about that is a tech fetishist with bad morals. they tend to be pretty condescending and smug, too, as they hand waive the immorality. but, hey, great news! letting me block the stuff won't hurt you at all.

IP is theft from society. Whether you're talking about people being left to die because they can't afford insulin or hollywood descending into stagnation because it has to 'leverage its IP portfolio rather than making a new movie'.

This whole thing really hammered home to me that 99% of artists consider themselves temporarily embarassed capital and not labor.

You’re rallying against the implementation rather than the actual idea

Add it to the list of tags to exclude under your store preferences.

引用自 TheForestSpirit：

Add it to the list of tags to exclude under your store preferences.

That would ignore games about artificial intelligence, not games that abuse autocomplete during development.

引用自 Ben Lubar：

引用自 TheForestSpirit：

Add it to the list of tags to exclude under your store preferences.

That would ignore games about artificial intelligence, not games that abuse autocomplete during development.

Yeahm but first there would be a need to discuss and determine what "abuse autocomplete" actually means.
And that can take anything from 5 minutes to 5.000 years.

引用自 Doctor Zalgo：

引用自 RedDirtTrooper：

i'm not a luddite and i understand the tool just fine. it's an immoral technology based on rampant intellectual theft. anyone who doesn't take offense about that is a tech fetishist with bad morals. they tend to be pretty condescending and smug, too, as they hand waive the immorality. but, hey, great news! letting me block the stuff won't hurt you at all.

IP is theft from society. Whether you're talking about people being left to die because they can't afford insulin or hollywood descending into stagnation because it has to 'leverage its IP portfolio rather than making a new movie'.

This whole thing really hammered home to me that 99% of artists consider themselves temporarily embarassed capital and not labor.

So true.

引用自 Doctor Zalgo：

IP is theft from society. Whether you're talking about people being left to die because they can't afford insulin or hollywood descending into stagnation because it has to 'leverage its IP portfolio rather than making a new movie'.

This whole thing really hammered home to me that 99% of artists consider themselves temporarily embarassed capital and not labor.

this is a ridiculous false equivalency. generative ai is literally capital seizing the means of production from workers.

引用自 󠀡󠀡：

Ìt really makes people angry, huh?
Get used to it.

And if you are whining about IP theft, don't be a hypocrite and whine about DRM, lawsuits, or prosecutions.

引用自 RedDirtTrooper：

it's an immoral technology based on rampant intellectual theft. anyone who doesn't take offense about that is a tech fetishist with bad morals.

That is a quite a biased statement to the point of being wrong. There is more nuance to it than that. Someone who uses(for example) a model based on their own voice or licenses one that was made based on someone else is 100% okay in my opinion, since it is a replica of a person who has given explicit permission.

On the image generation side stable diffusion, a common consumer hardware runnable model has a ~4gb model in a usable state, but used a dataset size of ~2-5 billion images, which amounts to less than 2 bytes of data per image if you calculate it that way. Despite that, with proper massaging it can produce things highly similar to what was used to make it.

Using Generative ai like stable diffusion in a commercial manner is legally and morally grey because of how it functions. What went in has been distilled so far from it's original form that has been turned into an unrecognizable soup. Yet it can recreate a facsimile of it.

引用自 Deadoon：

Using Generative ai like stable diffusion in a commercial manner is legally and morally grey because of how it functions. What went in has been distilled so far from it's original form that has been turned into an unrecognizable soup. Yet it can recreate a facsimile of it.

the area we differ in is i see it as a morally black area that only remains legally gray because of the capture of the judiciary by bad actors. most importantly, i'm not asking for anyone to agree with me, i just want a way to ensure that i'm not made party to stealing from artists or programmers. it wouldn't be able to recreate facsimiles without the initial theft. now, machine learning is awesome. i think the work being done with it in astronomy, biology, and pharmaceuticals is amazing. i also have nothing against privately held models trained only from data that has been implicitly licensed for that use. but if at any point wholesale theft of the internet and use of unlicensed data was involved i want nothing to do with it, and i would like a way to filter it out of my steam experience.