About the average user and what a benefit my suggestion would be to your company
All in all, I hope you’ve considered that people that own PCs are less likely to buy this new steam machine unless their PCs are very low spec and in that case those people are most likely not PC enthusiast and it’s a work PC or something of the sort that they decided to run a couple games on old games that my point is You’re gonna have more people buying this steam machine if you price it like a console, the console people won’t buy the PS six they’ll buy the steam machine the PC people. We don’t have a powerful PC and don’t really run games on their PC and also have a console will turn to your steam machine. The people who have a powerful PC won’t buy a steam machine period because chances are their PC is way more powerful or has very expensive parts in it that out for the steam machine. The only reason that they would buy it is because of its performance and price point. If the price point isn’t there, you lose them as well. My previous posts read them please. I assure you what I’m saying is 100% correct and if you trust in your user base, you will read it and come to the same conclusion. This is a critical point. You can either make a lot of money while pleasing all steam enthusiast or lose a lot of money and miss out on an amazing opportunity that will push you into the future. The decision is yours and yours alone? I hope you hold my opinion under consideration.
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nullable 19. nov. kl. 9:05 
One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.
pckirk 19. nov. kl. 9:28 
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All in all, I hope you’ve considered that people that own PCs are less likely to buy this new steam machine unless their PCs are very low spec and in that case those people are most likely not PC enthusiast and it’s a work PC or something of the sort that they decided to run a couple games on old games that my point is You’re gonna have more people buying this steam machine if you price it like a console, the console people won’t buy the PS six they’ll buy the steam machine the PC people. We don’t have a powerful PC and don’t really run games on their PC and also have a console will turn to your steam machine. The people who have a powerful PC won’t buy a steam machine period because chances are their PC is way more powerful or has very expensive parts in it that out for the steam machine. The only reason that they would buy it is because of its performance and price point. If the price point isn’t there, you lose them as well. My previous posts read them please. I assure you what I’m saying is 100% correct and if you trust in your user base, you will read it and come to the same conclusion. This is a critical point. You can either make a lot of money while pleasing all steam enthusiast or lose a lot of money and miss out on an amazing opportunity that will push you into the future. The decision is yours and yours alone? I hope you hold my opinion under consideration.


Stop spamming the forums with your off topic threads..

This is a STEAM related sub-forum, to discuss Ideas and suggestions for valve to make to the steam User Interface on the App, client and website and the online steam services.

It does not cover pricing, the steam equipment, the steamdeck or any game related threads.
Crazy Tiger 19. nov. kl. 9:39 
People with powerful PC's purchase Steam Deck and consoles. Your logic is very flawed, OP.
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One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.
Eh, Valve seems like its an insular bubble where people with grey hair, hubris, and total control dictate what happens.

That doesn't mean they can't be "gamers" but it certainly feels lately like it's a company that struck it rich (half-life + steam) and has since been resting on laurels.
Sidst redigeret af 1989 Trans Am GTA; 19. nov. kl. 11:09
AROCK!!! 19. nov. kl. 11:13 
Oprindeligt skrevet af nullable:
One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.

And how did the first steambox turn out?


I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".
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One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.

And how did the first steambox turn out?


I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".
I agree. This feels like equivalent of a FWD "SUV" crossover like the Chrysler Pacifica.
xBCxRangers 19. nov. kl. 11:20 
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One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.

And how did the first steambox turn out?


I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".

There were too many and too expensive. Not to mention controller support at that time was in it's infancy.

I tried an Alienware Alpha at the time, and given lack of controller support for the games i wanted to play, i sent it back to Dell.

These days Steam have evolved not and day from those issues, and with that cross play and other popular matters that would make a Steam Box easier to use and more palatable to console users.

However as i said, pricing has to be key, being if they're priced like an X or PS5, people are not likely going to leave Game Pass, Sony Exclusives and the vast sports market for this console, particularly when Xbox may be doing the same giving access to Steam on a PC based console.
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AROCK!!! 19. nov. kl. 11:26 
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And how did the first steambox turn out?


I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".

There were too many and too expensive. Not to mention controller support at that time was in it's infancy.

I tried an Alienware Alpha at the time, and given lack of controller support for the games i wanted to play, i sent it back to Dell.

These days Steam have evolved not and day from those issues, and with that cross play and other popular matters that would make a Steam Box easier to use and more palatable to console users.

However as i said, pricing has to be key, being if they're priced like an X or PS5, people are not likely going to leave Game Pass, Sony Exclusives and the vast sports market for this console, particularly when Xbox may be doing the same giving access to Steam on a PC based console.

There were only 3, and the differences were easy to understand, and I'm pretty sure this new version is not going to be cheap by any means.


IMO, a PC game company trying to sell consoles is like a vegitarian resturant tryinfg to sell its customers meat.


Look at the conversations (not just on the STEAM forums) based on PC vs console and you will see just how anti-console a good sized portion of PC gamers are.


The mobile handheld device was one thing, this is quite another.
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nullable 19. nov. kl. 12:06 
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One wonders how Valve got here if they're dependent on randos telling them how to operate. It's almost like Valve must know something about what they're doing and arm chair experts love feeling self-important.

And how did the first steambox turn out?

Knowing what you're doing isn't some guarantee of success.

I mean for contrast, Nintendo knows what they're doing. They've had a lot more successes than misses. But they have missed pretty hard, Virtual Boy, WiiU, and GameCube is borderline at best.

So yeah Valve's had some things flop. But those failures don't necessarily have impacts on future ventures. Past successes and failures don't guarantee future successes or failures.

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I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".

Valve can afford to experiment and see what sticks. And everyone who can't, but thinks their armchair expertise is important is really kidding themselves.

And what happens if the Steam Machine fails again? Nothing. Valve will still make billions and they'll try something else. Or maybe they'll try a Steam Machine again in the 2030's. And they'll be able to do that because it's almost like Valve might know something about what they're doing, as hard as that may be to accept.
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xBCxRangers 19. nov. kl. 12:07 
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There were too many and too expensive. Not to mention controller support at that time was in it's infancy.

I tried an Alienware Alpha at the time, and given lack of controller support for the games i wanted to play, i sent it back to Dell.

These days Steam have evolved not and day from those issues, and with that cross play and other popular matters that would make a Steam Box easier to use and more palatable to console users.

However as i said, pricing has to be key, being if they're priced like an X or PS5, people are not likely going to leave Game Pass, Sony Exclusives and the vast sports market for this console, particularly when Xbox may be doing the same giving access to Steam on a PC based console.

There were only 3, and the differences were easy to understand, and I'm pretty sure this new version is not going to be cheap by any means.


IMO, a PC game company trying to sell consoles is like a vegitarian resturant tryinfg to sell its customers meat.


Look at the conversations (not just on the STEAM forums) based on PC vs console and you will see just how anti-console a good sized portion of PC gamers are.


The mobile handheld device was one thing, this is quite another.

Idt Mr Newell is looking for the PC market to sell his consoles. He's looking for the console market, that right now is not doing well due to pricing and other issues. He wants to fill that void.

If prices are competive he will get some share of the PC market, being i would think a good number of those who play on PC also play on console.

But the bulk of it, like Steam Deck trying to poach those Nintendo Switch like folks, the same will happen with the Steam Box in regards to console users.
nullable 19. nov. kl. 12:41 
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But the bulk of it, like Steam Deck trying to poach those Nintendo Switch like folks, the same will happen with the Steam Box in regards to console users.

So you think PC gamers didn't want a portable handheld gaming PC? Only Switch users want a portable gaming machine?

I'm just amazed at everyone who thinks every product that is released is focused on stealing someone else's business. It's so simple minded it's laughable. The Steam Machine is just a prebuilt PC not some kind of console killer, or even console toe stubber. There's already a market for prebuilt PC's, and they're not focused on "poaching" console gamers either. Besides, dollars to donuts a lot of PC gamers own a console or two also. Games are fun regardless of the platform... and the gaming pie is plenty big enough for Valve to make a prebuilt PC that comes with SteamOS installed.

I mean if we're worried about "poaching", I think gaming PC oem's have more to worry about than console makers.
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AROCK!!! 19. nov. kl. 13:23 
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There were only 3, and the differences were easy to understand, and I'm pretty sure this new version is not going to be cheap by any means.


IMO, a PC game company trying to sell consoles is like a vegitarian resturant tryinfg to sell its customers meat.


Look at the conversations (not just on the STEAM forums) based on PC vs console and you will see just how anti-console a good sized portion of PC gamers are.


The mobile handheld device was one thing, this is quite another.

Idt Mr Newell is looking for the PC market to sell his consoles. He's looking for the console market, that right now is not doing well due to pricing and other issues. He wants to fill that void.

If prices are competive he will get some share of the PC market, being i would think a good number of those who play on PC also play on console.

But the bulk of it, like Steam Deck trying to poach those Nintendo Switch like folks, the same will happen with the Steam Box in regards to console users.
I see where you're coming from, but these are the same arguments people made for the steam box, and that was an absolute failure.

I really can't see people dropping hundreds of dollars or the equivilent for another console, especially when the PC they already have plays the games the box will.

I have no doubt that some will buy it, but I do not think it will be anywhere near enough to make it a success, just like the steambox, and I think the failure of the steambox is something that is going to cause a whole lot of people to think twice before dropping that kind of money on it.

Peole bought the STEAM handheld because they wanted to play their STEAM library on the go....this is not that, not even close.
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BlackRayPlayer 19. nov. kl. 13:43 
I look at this as a Valve pre-built PC/Console as another alternative option for people that want a similar combination, however; for the living room and with more power than the Steam deck. It can be for someone wanting a reasonable gaming PC that they don't need to build themselves, someone that isn't too deep into specs, and a machine that is comfortable for a user that is typically a consoler player can get into. I have had friends that own both a PC and a Playstation 5, XBOX Series X, and or even all three.
Tito Shivan 19. nov. kl. 14:04 
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And how did the first steambox turn out?
I don't consider their first 'steambox' to even be an attempt at anything. Steam was just entertaining an idea at that stage.

Now we can see Steam actually trying things.

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I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".
I don't see anyone who has been around Steam for long enough still not seeing what's Valve's long plan here.
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Crazy Tiger 19. nov. kl. 14:54 
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I was ariound during that time and the majority of those in the forums were scratching their heads wondering why Valve, a PC game platform was developing a "console".
I don't see anyone who has been around Steam for long enough still not seeing what's Valve's long plan here.
Only shortsighted people didn't understand what Valve was going for.

Then again, the "confusion" boils down to "PC vs console" childish BS, so not surprising actually.
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