引用自 Vaulty：

Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Vaulty：

Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development

A post in a little box under the purchase isn't sufficient. 90% of players don't read that.

Do you have a reason why additional consumer protections is a bad thing?

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Vaulty：

Note: Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development

A post in a little box under the purchase isn't sufficient. 90% of players don't read that.

Do you have a reason why additional consumer protections is a bad thing?

引用自 Ettanin：

引用自 N-Echo：

A post in a little box under the purchase isn't sufficient. 90% of players don't read that.

Do you have a reason why additional consumer protections is a bad thing?

Their fault if they don't read it.

The ability to refund an Early access title AT ANY TIME would require Valve to hold the revenue funds of such titles hostage until the full release potentially YEARS down the line. Many indies need the money in advance to make their ideas reality and Early Access was conceived to provide for that requirement.

引用自 Ettanin：

Removing the ability to get funds in advance through Early Access would make Early Access pointless because the studios relying on Early Access won't be able to provide warm homes and food on the table for the developers making the Early Access title and no studio can force any dev to work for free or a cold, useless promise in the future.

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Ettanin：

Their fault if they don't read it.

The ability to refund an Early access title AT ANY TIME would require Valve to hold the revenue funds of such titles hostage until the full release potentially YEARS down the line. Many indies need the money in advance to make their ideas reality and Early Access was conceived to provide for that requirement.

So you're saying that Valve shouldn't promote actual consumer protections because of a scenario you've made up? There wouldn't be a reason to hold revenue. You'd either prevent sales, or you'd show a warning. Neither requires holding funds.

Indie games would have 6 months to make an update. Nearly all active development indie games already do this. There wouldn't be any concern from an active developer. Even indie.

引用自 Ettanin：

Removing the ability to get funds in advance through Early Access would make Early Access pointless because the studios relying on Early Access won't be able to provide warm homes and food on the table for the developers making the Early Access title and no studio can force any dev to work for free or a cold, useless promise in the future.

What are you talking about? There is no money being held. There isn't a hostage situation. There are no devs working for free. This is 6 months to make an update for a product they already sold. I have no idea where your developer rambling came from.

引用自 Ettanin：

So you rather want less indie games or "indie" games lacking creativity because of shareholder/investor pressure?
Do you want to work for free because you or your employer is strapped for money due to various circumstances because you are forced by Valve in order to continue selling your game?

Delays or early end of development can have multiple reasons, not necessarily scamming.

You can turn off Early Access titles in your account settings.

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Ettanin：

So you rather want less indie games or "indie" games lacking creativity because of shareholder/investor pressure?
Do you want to work for free because you or your employer is strapped for money due to various circumstances because you are forced by Valve in order to continue selling your game?

Delays or early end of development can have multiple reasons, not necessarily scamming.

You can turn off Early Access titles in your account settings.

No, the scenario you created is just nonsense. It isn't real. You're going through a lot of mental gymnastics for this.

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Ettanin：

Not to mention that this will backfire because then devs will simply prematurely end development and leave early access as a way of malicious compliance to be able to continue selling their game.

Leave Early access then? Sorry, but none of your points have even made sense.

引用自 Ettanin：

引用自 N-Echo：

No, the scenario you created is just nonsense. It isn't real. You're going through a lot of mental gymnastics for this.

Not to mention that this will backfire because then devs will simply prematurely end development and leave early access as a way of malicious compliance to be able to continue selling their game.

You have absolutely NO idea how game development, or the development of ANY application, works.

引用自 Ettanin：

You have absolutely NO idea how game development, or the development of ANY application, works.

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 Ettanin：

Not to mention that this will backfire because then devs will simply prematurely end development and leave early access as a way of malicious compliance to be able to continue selling their game.

You have absolutely NO idea how game development, or the development of ANY application, works.

Leave Early access then? Sorry, but none of your points have even made sense.

引用自 Ettanin：

You have absolutely NO idea how game development, or the development of ANY application, works.

I actively designed automations for one of the largest multinationals. Sure, I'm just a cog in the machine but unlike you, I actually know about development.

引用自 Ettanin：

引用自 N-Echo：

Leave Early access then? Sorry, but none of your points have even made sense.


I actively designed automations for one of the largest multinationals. Sure, I'm just a cog in the machine but unlike you, I actually know about development.

Then you should know why your idea for Early Access is doomed to fail and actually bad for smaller development companies and individuals.

引用自 HeyYou：

Caveat Emptor...... An unfinished game is exactly that. Unfinished. There are zero guarantees that it will EVER be finished. If you spend money on such a game, that is you gambling that the game will actually BE finished. How do you propose to hold valve accountable? If you spend money KNOW the game is 'in development', and then the studio drops the game, or disappears entirely, what do you expect valve to do about it? Give you back your money? That's just ain't gonna happen, as Valve no longer even has it, and they aren't in the habit of supporting defunct developers.

Nope. This is where 'personal responsibility' comes into play. If you knowingly buy a game in 'early access', it is on YOU to understand just what you are signing up for. And that may all well be flushing some money down the toilet.

引用自 N-Echo：

引用自 HeyYou：

Caveat Emptor...... An unfinished game is exactly that. Unfinished. There are zero guarantees that it will EVER be finished. If you spend money on such a game, that is you gambling that the game will actually BE finished. How do you propose to hold valve accountable? If you spend money KNOW the game is 'in development', and then the studio drops the game, or disappears entirely, what do you expect valve to do about it? Give you back your money? That's just ain't gonna happen, as Valve no longer even has it, and they aren't in the habit of supporting defunct developers.

Nope. This is where 'personal responsibility' comes into play. If you knowingly buy a game in 'early access', it is on YOU to understand just what you are signing up for. And that may all well be flushing some money down the toilet.

So if it is a gamble should kids be allowed to buy these? Valve's second biggest age group is under 18. If I recall.

I don't propose to hold Valve accountable. Just people asking them to impliment better protections. I don't want any money back. I'm simply discussing future ways to protect consumers who largely don't read paragraphs of text before purchasing a game.

Who cares about personal responsiblity here? I'm discussing an improvement to help protect FUTURE buyers. This isn't about me. This is about implimenting feature improvements.

You all know what Early Access is. You're a subset of Steam users. Most users don't know this. Most don't read it. You already know what it is. You don't actually bother to read it. You know because you already know.

I don't understand why everyone is so hostile against improved at minimum visibility. Why not improve it? Other than you want people to be more responsible or something? Instead of just helping people out showing them if development is active?