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Reimans 10 月 3 日 上午 10:22
Mandatory contact about PermaBans in thirdparty games.
One-sided bans without a way to appeal for third party games are the worst if that affect you in Steam.

I got a False-positive one-sided ban from Call of Duty days ago with their new update by their Anticheat system requiring activate Secure Boot + TPM 2.0, I only played CoD for their Campaign and Zombie mode without any real program with harmful behaviour on background and after 3 matches of this new update for some reason was banned by "Unauthorized Software and Data Manipulation".

I appealed to them that it was a mistake in their part but only received automatic responses about this with no way to inquire about the problem.

While it doesn't hurt me not being able to play that game anymore, what it hurts is that GameBan in one's account tarnishing anyone names without being able to response back and steam doesn't help about this, even when there is more people affected by the anticheat odd behaviour that have and haven't play the game in months.

I never cheated on my life on all the 15 years of gaming so i'll do whatever it takes to clean up my name.
最后由 Reimans 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 下午 12:32
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Hikari Light 10 月 3 日 上午 10:35 
The game devs ALWAYS have final say on game bans.
Steam has no power at all.
All Steam does is display the ban on your profile.
You cannot appeal with Steam as Steam had nothing to do with them.
Hi Im Swat 10 月 3 日 上午 10:36 
No, you clearly did something serious to warrant such a ban. Permanent bans only ever handed out for serious or repeat policy violations.
引用自 Hi Im Swat
No, you clearly did something serious to warrant such a ban. Permanent bans only ever handed out for serious or repeat policy violations.
There is no reason to assume that. Hikari even disproves you: The game devs can apply a permanent ban for any reason they choose. It need not be serious or repeat. There is no requirement for that. Game devs have the final say.
Hikari Light 10 月 3 日 上午 10:55 
引用自 Hi Im Swat
No, you clearly did something serious to warrant such a ban. Permanent bans only ever handed out for serious or repeat policy violations.
There are occasions of false or wrongfully applied bans.

Game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they see fit, so long as the law and Steam's ToS (for Partners) is being followed.

Game hubs are allowed to have different rules than the general forums.

As stupid as it is, game devs can ban you for simply saying "hello".
And it would be allowed as it is THEIR space.

And since being banned in a forum is not against the law, well your out of luck.

Game bans on the other hand, mean YOU broke the rules either by cheating, using glitches/exploits to get an unfair advantage, or even using a pirated copy of the game.
Most common reason users get game bans are due to cheating or using glitches to get an unfair advantage.

Game bans can ONLY be appealed via the game devs. And if the deny the appeal, then your out of luck.
最后由 Hikari Light 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 上午 11:01
引用自 HikariLight
引用自 Hi Im Swat
No, you clearly did something serious to warrant such a ban. Permanent bans only ever handed out for serious or repeat policy violations.
There are occasions of false or wrongfully applied bans.

Game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they see fit, so long as the law and Steam's ToS (for Partners) is being followed.

Game hubs are allowed to have different rules than the general forums.

As stupid as it is, game devs can ban you for simply saying "hello".
And it would be allowed as it is THEIR space.

And since being banned in a forum is not against the law, well your out of luck.

Game bans on the other hand, mean YOU broke the rules either by cheating, using glitches/exploits to get an unfair advantage, or even using a pirated copy of the game.
Most common reason users get game bans are due to cheating or using glitches to get an unfair advantage.

Game bans can ONLY be appealed via the game devs. And if the deny the appeal, then your out of luck.
Technically speaking game bans may be applied for any reason at all, not just cheating or you breaking the rules. Valve gives developers the same leeway with game bans as forum bans.
Nx Machina 10 月 3 日 上午 11:23 
引用自 Reimans
One-sided bans without a way to appeal for third party games are the worst if that affect you in Steam.

You can appeal a ban.

https://support.activision.com/ban-appeal

Whether they remove it is another matter.

As for Steam, Valve applies the ban as requested by the game developer.

https://psteamhelp.yuanyoumao.com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5

The game developer is solely responsible for the decision to apply a game ban. Valve only enforces the game ban as instructed by the game developer.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 上午 11:24
Fact of the matter is Steam isn't going to get involved with game bans that aren't for their own games.
引用自 Nx Machina
引用自 Reimans
One-sided bans without a way to appeal for third party games are the worst if that affect you in Steam.

You can appeal a ban.

https://support.activision.com/ban-appeal

Whether they remove it is another matter.

As for Steam, Valve applies the ban as requested by the game developer.

https://psteamhelp.yuanyoumao.com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5

The game developer is solely responsible for the decision to apply a game ban. Valve only enforces the game ban as instructed by the game developer.
From the looks of his review, appeal was "denied repeatedly, automatically".

Nothing Steam can do about it.
Reimans 10 月 3 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 HikariLight
引用自 Hi Im Swat
No, you clearly did something serious to warrant such a ban. Permanent bans only ever handed out for serious or repeat policy violations.
There are occasions of false or wrongfully applied bans.

Game devs are allowed to run their hubs as they see fit, so long as the law and Steam's ToS (for Partners) is being followed.

Game hubs are allowed to have different rules than the general forums.

As stupid as it is, game devs can ban you for simply saying "hello".
And it would be allowed as it is THEIR space.

And since being banned in a forum is not against the law, well your out of luck.

Game bans on the other hand, mean YOU broke the rules either by cheating, using glitches/exploits to get an unfair advantage, or even using a pirated copy of the game.
Most common reason users get game bans are due to cheating or using glitches to get an unfair advantage.

Game bans can ONLY be appealed via the game devs. And if the deny the appeal, then your out of luck.

Yeah for some reason i was banned after 3 matches of THE coop side of the game (i even have the video), not even competitive and i haven't play any competitive side of the game in a real while(6 months you can check the "Achievements" in my profile for the last time) but with Yesterday's update i was banned for no reason.

The anti-cheat is flagging something in background like a cheat (since it nows operate in kernel level) and permabanning people for that but hard to pinpoint what program in background could trigger that and SHOULDN'T.

While i don't feel hurt about being banned from that game, it's kinda ugly to see in your profile any "Game Ban" for no reason. Even pointing you like a cheater FOR AGAIN NO REAL REASON just because one developer or his system decided to index you like one.

(The programs on background when the ban just happened were: Precision X1, Windows Defender, Windows Update(Win10), Discord, Steam Overlay (i even recorded when the ban happened with the steam overlay), Nvidia Control Panel, Nvidia Overlay and Ricochet Anticheat(Call of duty anticheat), from real kernel level, XMP for RAMs overclock in BIOS, and of course 1000 services in background from windows so hard to pinpoint unless i do a fresh windows install and of course, ban another account to test my point for no real reason again)
最后由 Reimans 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 上午 11:30
Hikari Light 10 月 3 日 上午 11:31 
With EA games, if it hooks into or alters game files, it is seen as a cheat.
Reimans 10 月 3 日 上午 11:36 
引用自 HikariLight
With EA games, if it hooks into or alters game files, it is seen as a cheat.

I'm afraid now to even open BF6 with my pc when it comes out since it will operate like Call of duty anticheat with secureboot + TPM 2.0, Something in background could trigger their anticheat too.
最后由 Reimans 编辑于; 10 月 3 日 上午 11:37
shak59 10 月 3 日 下午 12:29 
I agree.

Games bans should not leave a permanent mark on your steam account because the risk of mistakes is too high with no chance of appeal. Only VAC should do that.

The current system gives too much power to game devs.
Mad Scientist 10 月 3 日 下午 12:37 
If you believe it's an error use the above ban appeal link, include relevant information. Typically when anticheats/games update, if there's any false ban waves they tend to be removed within 2 weeks, maybe 3-4 in some cases.
Reimans 10 月 3 日 下午 1:09 
引用自 Mad Scientist
If you believe it's an error use the above ban appeal link, include relevant information. Typically when anticheats/games update, if there's any false ban waves they tend to be removed within 2 weeks, maybe 3-4 in some cases.

Hope it is like that, i already appealed with no use and since by their EULA you can't inquire about it anymore after the first contact (yeah, without knowing why were you banned in first place), there is no way to appeal again by their provided ways. (Maybe asking first was a mistake in my inquire?, maybe explaining without knowing why was my ban would have been right?)

i intend to contact Microsoft/Xbox to inquire about it since they own it now, but hard to know if they will even have a way to contact with their branch.

Again, the problem is not the ban itself, the problem is that they can one-sidedly tarnished your name and you have no way to say nothing if they ever wanted, even by mistake in Steam, this is my only game name, my only account and i won't let anyone defame myself like they did.
Start_Running 10 月 3 日 下午 1:21 
引用自 Reimans
I got a False-positive one-sided ban from Call of Duty days ago with their new update by their Anticheat system requiring activate Secure Boot + TPM 2.0, I only played CoD for their Campaign and Zombie mode without any real program with harmful behaviour on background and after 3 matches of this new update for some reason was banned by "Unauthorized Software and Data Manipulation".
I notice you added some interesting qualifiers there m8.
...real program with harmful behaviour on background...
Sounds kinda like you were indea running something...whether or not you deem it harmful or not.
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