Increase of Busted A** Games Really Pisses Me OFF and the Refund Policy Reinforces Them
I feel like there should be an avenue to report unfinished, buggy, bad product games beyond a negative review. I'm not saying refund everyone who bought it, I know that companies make money, but something better than a negative review alone. There is undoubtedly a massive increase of half-baked games and DLCs and I'm not the only one noticing it.

Like a demerit that if large enough, can affect the company's ability to sell copies, like a section of the check out screen next to the purchase button that says something along the lines of "# of players have reported that this game is unfinished or unplayable in its current state". I don't think it'd ever happen because it'd decrease sales, but this s*** pisses me off.

Again, they don't have to actually issue refunds to everyone that requests them, but SOMETHING has to be better than this.

Even something like “we can’t make exceptions bc of our licensing agreement, but here’s how you can leave feedback” would feel more honest than Steam's dead end reply with a link to the policy page.

The refund system as it stands basically shields this kind of decline by shifting the cost of unfinished content onto customers who stuck around and trusted the platform.

I do hope this feedback makes its way to be read by human eyeballs.. It feels like Steam is risking long term trust and loyalty over short term rigidity and labor minimization, and that’s disappointing to see after a decade of use.

*** Context:
I recently wanted a refund that got auto denied because I played 9ish hours, totally get it, understandable, not a big deal - however:

it was a DLC and it's counting the time that I played the game not using the busted a** DLC. most of that was actually in the content editor working on some custom main-game features, not actually playtime using this DLC. When I did try the DLC, as the game level increased it overheated my system, crashed the game, and messed up the file I’d been building.

The refund denial process sucks. The response felt prewritten, with no way to add context once the ticket was automatically closed on me. No nuance to the situation at all, and the follow up I sent got more of the same and even included this "If it appears to us that you are abusing our refund policy or violating our terms of service, we may decline requests for refunds".. DUH, that's not the issue I have.

If a game or DLC doesn’t work as intended and the issue isn’t obvious in the first couple hours, customers are just stuck with slop. That’s becoming the norm as more and more titles are released unfinished. Even the notoriously buggy 10 year old DLCs function better than the 2 year old second iteration of this particular base game.

And someone at the office has to know about how sloppy the new iteration is… it’s the top title in its genre and it’s doing a slow public death rattle and hoping no one notices.

The fact that the preordered DLCs still aren’t released two years in, when the original game had several out by this point says a lot.

I’ve preferred Steam because it feels more secure, I don’t feel like skeezy boardsmen are about to sell my card numbers when I buy something, but this wasn’t great either and I’ll look for other sources for the games I’d been eyeing lately.

It’s very disappointing as there were quite a few other DLCs and titles I’d been anticipating. Thankfully they don’t seem to be Valve exclusive, but anyway thank you for your time if anyone is reading this.
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Nx Machina 9 月 30 日 下午 9:45 
You report issues directly to the developer via their contact information and/or use the actual game forum to report issues as every game has a forum.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 9 月 30 日 下午 9:45
madopolis 9 月 30 日 下午 11:10 
引用自 Nx Machina
You report issues directly to the developer via their contact information and/or use the actual game forum to report issues as every game has a forum.

I think my suggestion of a way to report heavily broken games directly on the store is still valid. There's a difference between I didn't like it, or it was a little buggy and - this whole game is not playable and will corrupt files and eat your system.

There are many devs who simply will not or cannot do anything to improve the situation, and hardly anyone I know is checking the game forums before making a purchase. I think a buyer-beware is a matter of informing the consumer. It's not even "you can't sell this", it's just an ethical "many people find this unplayable".
datCookie 10 月 1 日 上午 12:32 
引用自 madopolis
引用自 Nx Machina
You report issues directly to the developer via their contact information and/or use the actual game forum to report issues as every game has a forum.

I think my suggestion of a way to report heavily broken games directly on the store is still valid. There's a difference between I didn't like it, or it was a little buggy and - this whole game is not playable and will corrupt files and eat your system.

There are many devs who simply will not or cannot do anything to improve the situation, and hardly anyone I know is checking the game forums before making a purchase. I think a buyer-beware is a matter of informing the consumer. It's not even "you can't sell this", it's just an ethical "many people find this unplayable".

You can report games on their store page, outside of that, its up to Steam to decide whether a product should remain for sale.
Nx Machina 10 月 1 日 上午 12:36 
引用自 madopolis
I think my suggestion of a way to report heavily broken games directly on the store is still valid. There's a difference between I didn't like it, or it was a little buggy and - this whole game is not playable and will corrupt files and eat your system.

Heavily broken games, dlc that you have yet to name after all not working on my PC is not heavily broken, especially when others are playing those games.

As for the game you played for 9 hours, the dlc is included in that playtime because the base game exe is running.
最后由 Nx Machina 编辑于; 10 月 1 日 上午 9:34
matt 10 月 1 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 madopolis
When I did try the DLC, as the game level increased it overheated my system, crashed the game, and messed up the file I’d been building.
Overheating is a problem on your end. This is why your suggestion wouldn't work.

引用自 madopolis
If a game or DLC doesn’t work as intended and the issue isn’t obvious in the first couple hours, customers are just stuck with slop.
Come on. It's "slop" because your PC has inadequate cooling? The game may have poor optimization or be buggy, but overheating is definitely something you can fix. And, who knows, maybe that will solve the crashing.
nullable 10 月 1 日 上午 9:14 
Yeah, blaming system problems on games sounds reasonable to the person who's convinced anything that happens is somebody's else's fault. Not to mention with that logic, since people do the same sort of nonsense with Steam itself, you'd have to believe Valve is on the same team as the developers you have an axe to grind with.

If I had a dollar for every time some user blamed something out of the developer's control on the developer I'd be typing this on a gold plated keyboard from a private island.

And frankly as a developer I'm really pissed off about busted ass users, running busted ass systems, relying on busted ass logic for their claims.

The issue cuts both ways.
The easiest answer would be to mandate UE5 carry the same warning as Denuvo. That would select for the majority of trash optimization.

I do think there is something to be desired in these situations of customer dissatisfaction. The purpose of the refund system is to reduce this risk of buying rather than make you feel trapped with a bad product but at the same time it is difficult to stretch the system for your edge case and not support a bunch of abusive cases too. And you are not likely to find a better refund system with a competing market at least.

引用自 nullable
Yeah, blaming system problems on games sounds reasonable to the person who's convinced anything that happens is somebody's else's fault. Not to mention with that logic, since people do the same sort of nonsense with Steam itself, you'd have to believe Valve is on the same team as the developers you have an axe to grind with.

If I had a dollar for every time some user blamed something out of the developer's control on the developer I'd be typing this on a gold plated keyboard from a private island.

And frankly as a developer I'm really pissed off about busted ass users, running busted ass systems, relying on busted ass logic for their claims.

The issue cuts both ways.
No it doesn't. You only want it to cut one way.
最后由 William Shakesman 编辑于; 10 月 1 日 上午 10:03
Ben Lubar 10 月 1 日 上午 9:51 
Doesn't a negative review already do what you're asking for? A game with the text "overwhelmingly negative" on its store page in red is probably going to have people hesitate before buying it.
nullable 10 月 1 日 上午 9:53 
引用自 William Shakesman
No it doesn't. You only want it to cut one way.

Well, you're wrong. Feel free to try again and this time try not to embarrass yourself.

My poking holes in OP's one sided elaborate narrative about the refund system protecting bad games because they think their situation is special or that bad games are a new phenomena might not yield the conclusions about my personal opinions as you seem to think.

Sometimes games are bad. Sometimes users are clueless morons prone to self-serving beliefs and assumptions. The. Issue. Cuts. Both. Ways.
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