Focus & Push? People keep inventing new things, eh.

To me it's all Point & Click what you mention. That said, Adventure games encompass more than just P&C.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Focus & Push? People keep inventing new things, eh.

To me it's all Point & Click what you mention. That said, Adventure games encompass more than just P&C.

You don't point and click on a gamepad. So why even call games build for gamepads point and click?

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Focus & Push? People keep inventing new things, eh.

To me it's all Point & Click what you mention. That said, Adventure games encompass more than just P&C.

You don't point and click on a gamepad. So why even call games build for gamepads point and click?

Whether I move the mouse or the joystick is the same for me.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Focus & Push? People keep inventing new things, eh.

To me it's all Point & Click what you mention. That said, Adventure games encompass more than just P&C.

You don't point and click on a gamepad. So why even call games build for gamepads point and click?

Because you are still aim and select, which is the exact same thing as point and click.

They're synonyms.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Oprindeligt skrevet af 4D 69 72 65 6B:

You don't point and click on a gamepad. So why even call games build for gamepads point and click?

Because you are still aim and select, which is the exact same thing as point and click.

They're synonyms.

:nkCool:

With that logic every game with aiming and click is a point & click game. It doesn't make sense. Let's call Counter-Strike 2 a point and click game. Sounds about right with your logic.
There are also people, who can't use the keyboard and look specifically for games, that are only playable with mouse. For Steam it is just necessary to add a field, that contains "playable with mouse only". A think of coding what...3 bars of code?

Why are you trying to degrade this feature for disabled and/or interested gamers?

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Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Because you are still aim and select, which is the exact same thing as point and click.

They're synonyms.

With that logic every game with aiming and click is a point & click game. It doesn't make sense.
There are also people, who can't use the keyboard and look specifically for games, that are only playable with mouse. For Steam it is just necessary to add a field, that contains "playable with mouse only". A think of coding what...3 bars of code?

Why are you trying to degrade this feature for disabled and/or interested gamers?

Technically, CS2 is a point and click game, yeah.

Point at. Aim at.

Click. Select.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Technically, CS2 is a point and click game, yeah.

Point at. Aim at.

Click. Select.

:nkCool:

Originally Point & Click Adventures were games, where you pointed at something or somewhere on the screen and clicked to start an action. For that you used the mouse. Nowadays you don't even have that feature in most games, which call themselve Point & Click. Sadly there is no information about this games, that warns the buyer beforehand if the game even supports mouse only playing.

And this is why I started this suggestion & ideas thread.

I don't get why some people find it necessary to degrade this idea, that makes it for gamers and the steam support easier, with their opinion and interpretations.

Pros:

Less refunds
People with disabilities have it easier to find games they can play
People, who like mouse only games have it easier
Better organisation of games

Cons:

None


Edit:

Gamepad Games can't be Point and Click without a Pointer in the first place.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Technically, CS2 is a point and click game, yeah.

Point at. Aim at.

Click. Select.

Originally Point & Click Adventures were games, where you pointed at something or somewhere on the screen and clicked to start an action. For that you used the mouse. Nowadays you don't even have that feature in most games, which call themselve Point & Click. Sadly there is no information about this games, that warns the buyer beforehand if the game even supports mouse only playing.

And this is why I started this suggestion & ideas thread.

I don't get why some people find it necessary to degrade this idea, that makes it for gamers and the steam support easier, with their opinion and interpretations.

Pros:

Less refunds
People with disabilities have it easier to find games they can play
People, who like mouse only games have it easier
Better organisation of games

Cons:

None

Edit:

Gamepad Games can't be Point and Click without a Pointer in the first place.

Essentially, what Curators can help you with?

https://psteamproxy.yuanyoumao.com/curator/41112101-One-Handed-Gamer/

Edit: You would be wrong about that as well.

I'm not degrading it, I just don't think it makes sense.

Whether I use a steering wheel, keyboard or gamepad for the racing game, it remains a racing game. Same with P&C games, doesn't matter if I use a mouse or gamepad, it's still P&C.

I get the disability angle and some addition on the store page would be useful for that. But I don't agree that the games should be separated.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Essentially, what Curators can help you with?

https://psteamproxy.yuanyoumao.com/curator/41112101-One-Handed-Gamer/

:nkCool:

Perfect example, why it would make it easier for people to separate or at least add an information on the steam pages. Curators don't test all games, since they most likely don't buy every game, that gets released.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Crazy Tiger:

Essentially, what Curators can help you with?

https://psteamproxy.yuanyoumao.com/curator/41112101-One-Handed-Gamer/

Perfect example, why it would make it easier for people to separate or at least add an information on the steam pages. Curators don't test all games, since they most likely don't buy every game, that gets released.

Who said they need to buy the games?

Oprindeligt skrevet af 4D 69 72 65 6B:

Hi,

I would like to request, that adventure games get separated into Point & Click (Mouse only), Focus & Push (Gamepad + Mouse/Keyboard) and Hybrid (Point & Click + Focus & Push).

I love playing Point & Click adventures, but sadly the Focus & Push games get categorized in that section, too. So it is really hard to find adventure games, that work only with mouse, since there is no information about that at all.

Or at least add a "Mouse only supported" field under "Gamepad supported".

If a game is heavily focused on adventure, point and click, focus and push, what ever it may be called, is an adventure game and would be categorized as such. Legend of zelda, an adventure focused game with combat and puzzles. Maniac Mansion, an adventure game focused on puzzles but utilizes point and click, both adventure games at their core.

Oprindeligt skrevet af cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Who said they need to buy the games?

:nkCool:

Don't go offtopic. I made this thread, so this gets a chance to happen.

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Living Tribunal:

If a game is heavily focused on adventure, point and click, focus and push, what ever it may be called, is an adventure game and would be categorized as such. Legend of zelda, an adventure focused game with combat and puzzles. Maniac Mansion, an adventure game focused on puzzles but utilizes point and click, both adventure games at their core.

Yes, but sadly if you don't know the games, you get no information on the steam page with what you can control them. The only information is: Gamepad supported.

I request, that at least a Mouse Only supported field gets added.

This might be better served by curation by enthusiasts rather than Valve. Letting the average populace into your terms mean they get watered down into meaninglessness, i.e. people who think Street Fighter is a beat-em-up. It is a mistake to assume you can get the lowest common denominator to accept your definition and meet your standards.

Valve offers literal curator groups that can serve this purpose somewhat obliquely.