Valve does not believe in closed systems and actually believe in user's choice.
Won't happen.

Even SteamOS itself is completely open for the user.

They are not going to force people to use Steam OS. They specifically designed the Deck so that you could use windows on it.

Its not Valves problem what other people decide to use on their own hardware. Valve is not giving them the OK. If what they do on their Deck damages their Deck then thats on them.

You might as well be asking Nvidia and AMD to do something about people doing illegal stuff on their hardware... its not going to happen.


Oh and if you think just forcing the use of the Steam OS will solve things... guess again, there is still copyright infringement, piracy and other illegal stuff done on Linux based OS' which is what Steam OS is.

If you don't want that stuff on your Steam deck, then make sure you don't loan it to anyone.

Valve is not going to do anything about this.

引用自 Cathulhu：

Valve does not believe in closed systems and actually believe in user's choice.
Won't happen.

Even SteamOS itself is completely open for the user.

If that's the case how will valve now encourage more developers to join their platform and more games to be compatible and available for steam-deck if this criminals can do illegal activities freely .

引用自 Leviathan：

引用自 Cathulhu：

Valve does not believe in closed systems and actually believe in user's choice.
Won't happen.

Even SteamOS itself is completely open for the user.

If that's the case how will valve now encourage more developers to join their platform and more games to be compatible and available for steam-deck if this criminals can do illegal activities freely .

Valve is not having any issues encouraging developers to join Steam. You saying that they won't when Windows machines have been open like this since forever, is a bad argument because that would mean no developer would ever use any platform on PC ever... which we know is not true.

The Steam Deck is just another PC just like the one the majority of people use, its just smaller. Thats the only difference.

引用自 Leviathan：

Hi Valve,

Good day, Im writing and suggest to implement a measure and encourage steam-deck users to use steam os and steam digital store as its is being observe and being notice that copyright infringement and piracy is becoming rampant and its getting worse in steam-deck machines that are running in Microsoft windows os platform. Exploits and bug, other illegal activities was being abused that may affect the steam-deck device performance and also may impact the business and developers livelihood. To fight this illegal activities i'm urging valve to implement such as system and security measures using the steam os platform in steam-deck.

Best Regards,

Lev

It affects no one's livelihood.
The only thing affected by loading non-steam oses on steamdecks is the person to whom the deck belongs.

Why would they 'force' anyone to use SteamOS. Its basically just an Arch fork anyway. How can you 'force' someone to use something when they can basically just run steam on Arch an dbe running "steamOS" anyway

Running "steamOS" doesnt prevent piracy or any such thing. It doesnt help in that regard. There's no point in forcing it when you're not enforcing things like sandboxing and other htings that consoles do in their walled gardens.

引用自 Start_Running：

引用自 Leviathan：

Hi Valve,

Good day, Im writing and suggest to implement a measure and encourage steam-deck users to use steam os and steam digital store as its is being observe and being notice that copyright infringement and piracy is becoming rampant and its getting worse in steam-deck machines that are running in Microsoft windows os platform. Exploits and bug, other illegal activities was being abused that may affect the steam-deck device performance and also may impact the business and developers livelihood. To fight this illegal activities i'm urging valve to implement such as system and security measures using the steam os platform in steam-deck.

Best Regards,

Lev

It affects no one's livelihood.
The only thing affected by loading non-steam oses on steamdecks is the person to whom the deck belongs.

Ah your telling me its ok to do piracy and commit copyright infringement. Its legal now to steal and commit a robbery. Developers and company are now earning in piracy.

引用自 Gwarsbane：

引用自 Leviathan：

If that's the case how will valve now encourage more developers to join their platform and more games to be compatible and available for steam-deck if this criminals can do illegal activities freely .

Valve is not having any issues encouraging developers to join Steam. You saying that they won't when Windows machines have been open like this since forever, is a bad argument because that would mean no developer would ever use any platform on PC ever... which we know is not true.

The Steam Deck is just another PC just like the one the majority of people use, its just smaller. Thats the only difference.

Yeah, if you have important works or accomplishment, its ok someone take credit and stole that on you?. Im in developers perspective not a user-end just playing games.

引用自 Leviathan：

引用自 Cathulhu：

Valve does not believe in closed systems and actually believe in user's choice.
Won't happen.

Even SteamOS itself is completely open for the user.

If that's the case how will valve now encourage more developers to join their platform and more games to be compatible and available for steam-deck if this criminals can do illegal activities freely .

I mean theyv'e already done that as many games have linux versions, and the SteamDeck runs Linux.

引用自 Leviathan：

引用自 Start_Running：

It affects no one's livelihood.
The only thing affected by loading non-steam oses on steamdecks is the person to whom the deck belongs.

Ah your telling me its ok to do piracy and commit copyright infringement. Its legal now to steal and commit a robbery. Developers and company are now earning in piracy.

Its illegal in the real world yes, thing is that the Supreme Court of the US has taken a firm stance on things that are both digital/online and private companies, they basically dont interfer with it, and Steam is a digital store of a private company, last group that tried, tried to sue Youtube for freedom of speech, Supreme court basically denied the entire suite because of the prior issues of it being an private company, meaning that while they didnt like it either, its not their company nor say what happens there, in this case same thing, given Valve is in the US and their agreements even note they abide by the US laws, this would fall to the US courts and already that is basically not going anywhere.

I hear your point, but I don't agree with it.

Steam has been on computers since forever and you can install either OS (or both) on computers.

Steam Deck is a computer, so it behaves the same.

Even if we talk about emulation, it's been the same for computers, the amount/type of piracy has not increased (have no numbers).
It's possible the amount of _players_ has increased and as a consequence, the amount of piracy too, but in that case also the amount of buyers has probably increased too.

引用自 Leviathan：

引用自 Gwarsbane：

Valve is not having any issues encouraging developers to join Steam. You saying that they won't when Windows machines have been open like this since forever, is a bad argument because that would mean no developer would ever use any platform on PC ever... which we know is not true.

The Steam Deck is just another PC just like the one the majority of people use, its just smaller. Thats the only difference.

Yeah, if you have important works or accomplishment, its ok someone take credit and stole that on you?. Im in developers perspective not a user-end just playing games.

Never said that, I just said that there is nothing Valve can or will do about it.

If you know for a fact someone is pirating stuff on a Steam Deck, call the cops, I'm sure they will do something about it, after all its theft right? Ya cops won't do anything about it. Tell the developer of the game... or why bother because they are not going to do anything.

You want a locked down system like a console, because as we know there is no piracy happening on consoles like the latest xbox and playstations right.... oh wait there is.... even on a locked down system like that...

Well what about MAC, I'm sure the tillion dollar company Apple will have solved the piracy issue.... oh wait they haven't?


Guess what, there is a very simple rule to live by when it comes with stuff like this... if it can be programmed, it can be hacked.

Just look at the locks that they put on video cards to stop cryptocurrency stuff... that lasted about a week before hackers found a way in. Took them a few months at most to totally break the locks to open up full speed crypto mining on the cards and nothing Nvidia could do to actually stop it.

What you want is IMPOSSIBLE because if they could do it, they would have stopped it long ago. It would be as useful as DRM on a game thats already been broken and up on piracy sites.

In every PC with thats put out today there is a chip called TPM. It was said to help make a platform secure.... they made a big deal about it, Its been broken for a while now, its pretty must just a useless chip that does nothing for the regular consumer.

As I said, if it can be programmed, it can be hacked.


And no Valve can't go after people, again that would be like saying nvidia and amd should sue people who pirate stuff on their hardware. They have no idea who is doing what on their hardware and even if they did, thats billions of wasted money suing people to get nothing. Just look at how well the RIAA and MPAA are doing with that... 10s of millions if not hundreds of millions spent on trying to sue individual people... sure they have won.. they got nothing from the people though.

Even the big sites they sued, lots of money out the door, virtually nothing back in and at least the RIAA and MPAA have a more direct connection as its their stuff being shared everywhere. There is a reason why they haven't gone after Microsoft or AMD/NVidia to sue them because people are pirating stuff on their OS and hardware... because they know it can't be stopped.


So again its none of your business what people do with their hardware. Valve made the hardware in such a way that they said you could even put windows on it, and people have. They are not going to turn around and say "sorry you can't do that with your hardware that we told you you could do that with.

Valve has made their stance on the openness of computers very clear.

引用自 Leviathan：

Hi Valve,

Good day, Im writing and suggest to implement a measure and encourage steam-deck users to use steam os and steam digital store as its is being observe and being notice that copyright infringement and piracy is becoming rampant and its getting worse in steam-deck machines that are running in Microsoft windows os platform. Exploits and bug, other illegal activities was being abused that may affect the steam-deck device performance and also may impact the business and developers livelihood. To fight this illegal activities i'm urging valve to implement such as system and security measures using the steam os platform in steam-deck.

Best Regards,

Lev

Are you an employee of either Apple or a game console maker? Do you want Valve to own the unit and not the end user?

By the way, you have a penguin in your profile picture, the mascot of the open source Linux system.

Nearly all Steam games can be played on Microsoft Windows systems. Also note that Valve has provided official drivers and firmware to make the Deck compatible with Windows.

Using SteamOS won’t do anything to combat piracy (or any kind of malicious software for that matter). Even if lots of Windows users suddenly migrated to SteamOS, the pirates and hackers would also migrate and bring their piracy tools and exploits along with them.

In addition to this, Valve believes in freedom of letting their customers choose their own OS. When I get my Steam Deck, I will remove SteamOS and install Windows 11 instead.