Please stop supporting the AI disclosure so blindly

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Altemeus 8 dec. la 8:21

Please stop supporting the AI disclosure so blindly

I get why some people think it's a cause to fight for. However, it's creating problems with reviews I don't want to be there.

Full disclosure, I'm a gamer. Not a dev, not affiliated with any game, I just play them. I do very much fight against AI disclosure because everyone is doing it, and it only serves those who hide it. Also, as much as artists are getting it worse than ever, the trend is simply unavoidable in my mind

That said, this isn't why I'm trying to convince you today. The reason I'm talking is because these games that are complying are almost universally review-bombed by a handful of users. Now, of course I believe it's unfair to do so when those that hide it well get off unscathed, but the context isn't in consideration even. I keep seeing fat negative reviews on games admitting they use AI in preparation assets and various rough portions of the game environment, and it's just not fair to have to read around the details to find that the grand mistake the developer made is that they disclosed the AI usage! Nobody was finding the AI on an indie developer's background, but they're unwisely trying to be upfront to customers and are paying for it dearly. It's making desirable games harder to find, and making developer honeaty an unjust punishment.

Please, let's just go back to review nuking AAA usage of AI through word of mouth, yet still manage to buy millions of copies. It's just hurting the honest indies, that's really it, and at the end of the day, they're just being too honest. I don't know of a single indie that has been widely acknowledged to use AI aside from the honest ones, it's the AAAs that get roasted by the community and still sell millions.

AI disclosure is just hurting those that adhere to it. Please get rid of it.

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space 8 dec. la 8:23

if ai has to be disclosed then so should games that use unity/unreal and store bought assets

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 8 dec. la 8:23

Pretty late to the Sweeney article.

Malfunctioning Robot 8 dec. la 8:25

You not wanting reviews to be there is a YOU issue. And complaining about transparency is laughable at best.

Altemeus 8 dec. la 8:31

Postat inițial de Malfunctioning Robot:
You not wanting reviews to be there is a YOU issue. And complaining about transparency is laughable at best.

I don't need reviews that regurgitate the AI disclosure needlessly, punishing developer honesty.

And I didn't complain about transparency. Clearly this would remove transparency, it's punishing honesty/transparency (if you must) that I'm complaining about, particularly on more fragile indies.

Malfunctioning Robot 8 dec. la 9:06

Postat inițial de Altemeus:
Postat inițial de Malfunctioning Robot:
You not wanting reviews to be there is a YOU issue. And complaining about transparency is laughable at best.
I don't need reviews that regurgitate the AI disclosure needlessly, punishing developer honesty.

And I didn't complain about transparency. Clearly this would remove transparency, it's punishing honesty/transparency (if you must) that I'm complaining about, particularly on more fragile indies.

Good for you, doesn't mean those reviews shouldnt exist.

The nameless Gamer 8 dec. la 9:07

Sorry, but I can't be with you here. Indies or AAA, I am absolutely against using AI in creative work. Full stop. AI has no place in creation of imagery, music, video games. It's not even "intelligence", it's just an enormous data bank and calculator. It isn't creative, it can't solve problems. So no, I prefer the disclosure staying, so it makes avoiding games with AI involved easier.

Editat ultima dată de The nameless Gamer; 8 dec. la 9:14

Ben Lubar 8 dec. la 9:32

Do the Unity and Unreal stores pay the artists? Yes? Then I don't understand the comparison.

Kain 8 dec. la 9:52

I think AI disclosure is just Steam demagogy. Devs have been using AI or some form of tool to make development faster for a long time.

If the game is good that's all that matters.

Yzal 8 dec. la 9:56

I agree there should be no ai disclosure.
Games using AI generated assets or code should be nuked off the store and their devs banned.

Editat ultima dată de Yzal; 8 dec. la 9:58

Ben Lubar 8 dec. la 9:58

Postat inițial de Yzal:
I agree there should be no ai disclosure.
Games using AI should be nuked off the store and their devs banned.

Nah, it's way more fun to see a new Call of Duty game come out and immediately get overwhelmingly negative reviews.

Valve doesn't ban games from Steam for being bad. They're not the arbiters of taste. If you pay your $100 to get onto Steam and you upload some absolute garbage that doesn't break any rules, you get to reap the rewards of trying to sell people garbage, entirely organically.

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Start_Running cu 23 ore în urmă

Postat inițial de Kain:
I think AI disclosure is just Steam demagogy. Devs have been using AI or some form of tool to make development faster for a long time.

If the game is good that's all that matters.

No harm in the disclosure though.
Just as some people want to know whether their food is organic, or if the packaging is using recycled marterials..

From my perspective it doesn't matter. whether or not AI is used is not relevant.
But I'd still like to know.

Postat inițial de cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Pretty late to the Sweeney article.

:nkCool:

And lets face it.. we know why Sweeny-kun doesn't want it./ It'd basically mean every Unreal5 ENgine game would carry that flag. :P

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Kain cu 23 ore în urmă

Postat inițial de Start_Running:
Postat inițial de Kain:
I think AI disclosure is just Steam demagogy. Devs have been using AI or some form of tool to make development faster for a long time.

If the game is good that's all that matters.
No harm in the disclosure though.
Just as some people want to know whether their food is organic, or if the packaging is using recycled marterials..

From my perspective it doesn't matter. whether or not AI is used is not relevant.
But I'd still like to know.

Postat inițial de cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Pretty late to the Sweeney article.

:nkCool:
And lets face it.. we know why Sweeny-kun doesn't want it./ It'd basically mean every Unreal5 ENgine game would carry that flag. :P

I think it does specially with the fit a lot of people throw at the very mention of it. I don't think it's anyone's business.

And the comparison with food just makes no sense.

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Hikari Light cu 23 ore în urmă

Sweeney says it's not needed, but that's because he is blind to the hatred players have for it.

The dude is running a store that hasn't made any money since it launched.

So I would not put my hopes in him for knowing what players want.

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Yasahi cu 23 ore în urmă

Postat inițial de Kain:
I think it does specially with the fit a lot of people throw at the very mention of it. I don't think it's anyone's business.

And the comparison with food just makes no sense.

It's not anyone's business to know that devs didn't care to put in any effort and outsourced the process that they're paid for to a tool that has been trained on stolen assets?

Right.

Using AI for internal mockups, scetches and the like is fine. Using it for bouncing ideas internally is fine. Using it to generate assets that you put in the game is not fine.

It needs to be disclosed so that people can decide for their own if they want to support such lazy practices or not.

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Kain cu 23 ore în urmă

The problem is that the hatred is irrational and born from ignorance on the subject. You can't create a game with AI only, and most of the real issues AI won't replace with coding, making sure it performs well, good mapping and so on.

Either AI or some form or procedural general have been used for literal decades now. If the game is good that's what matters, AI is only a problem when it's noticeable, bad voice acting or crappy art. I know it has some impact on jobs, but, well guess what everything that involves technological advances does, and throughout gaming development history many jobs were lost due to it, heck many devs don't even hire play testers anymore due to Early Access.

This fear of AI seems more born of ignorance and fear of the unknown than anything else.

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