l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 2:47
Mandatory Updates on steam
So first, for some context. I am a big fan of Total War Warhammer War 3 War Edition. I recently found a very fun mod list, However, they dropped the 7.0 patch, and since steam forces you to update, I now can no longer play with my modlist. So it will be a few weeks at minimum before I get to play my save games again.

Can we please get 1 of 2 things.

1. Remove the mandatory updates. Other platforms have this, I know steam doesn't either.

2. Add a policy that forces developers to leave up old versions (with exeptions for multiplayer games)so you have the option to rollback the game if you dont like the new update
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steven1mac 12 月 4 日 下午 2:56 
You just need a publisher that accommodates modders. For example Paradox Interactive, as much as they love DLC, they will add branches that have earlier versions of the game. It is up to the publisher not Steam, and really Steam like it that way, it allows flexibility and doesn't piss off the people who make the games.
pckirk 12 月 4 日 下午 3:00 
or just wait for the mod developer to update and recompile the mod....
Mad Scientist 12 月 4 日 下午 3:10 
Developers can already use the "branch" system if they want to provide multiple versions. Its optional, not mandatory.
l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 3:10 
引用自 steven1mac
You just need a publisher that accommodates modders. For example Paradox Interactive, as much as they love DLC, they will add branches that have earlier versions of the game. It is up to the publisher not Steam, and really Steam like it that way, it allows flexibility and doesn't piss off the people who make the games.
I do play stellaris, and rimworld as well. and forcing you to update is 100% a steam thing. If GOG can do it i know Big Daddy Gabe can.
l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 3:10 
引用自 pckirk
or just wait for the mod developer to update and recompile the mod....
:steamthumbsdown:
RDMLTRS 12 月 4 日 下午 3:15 
引用自 pckirk
or just wait for the mod developer to update and recompile the mod....

Some mods are no longer being updated. Also being forced to update a product that I have paid for without giving me the option to opt out is insane.
.Loug 12 月 4 日 下午 3:46 
The majority of the people on the platform don't play modded games and some of them don't even know how to enable/disable dlcs so of course auto updates will be the default, if you want to stay on certain versions it's up to you to do some research and learn how to do that or play games that are more friendly when it comes to mods.
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l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 5:10 
引用自 .Loug
The majority of the people on the platform don't play modded games and some of them don't even know how to enable/disable dlcs so of course auto updates will be the default, if you want to stay on certain versions it's up to you to do some research and learn how to do that or play games that are more friendly when it comes to mods.
"Just don't play fun games that you've paid for because Steam doesnt have a feature that smaller competitors have"
And for the record, I wouldn't be here if I could rollback TW3 to the latest version, if you read my post at all, you would have realized that
Chika Ogiue 12 月 4 日 下午 5:52 
引用自 l0v3rm4n69420
Can we please get 1 of 2 things.

1. Remove the mandatory updates. Other platforms have this, I know steam doesn't either.

2. Add a policy that forces developers to leave up old versions (with exeptions for multiplayer games)so you have the option to rollback the game if you dont like the new update

Steam's whole selling point from day one has been that games are automatically updated. This isn't going to change 20+ years on.

Each game only has a handful of version paths at their disposal, so keeping each old version around isn't viable. This also isn't unique to Steam. GOG, too, only retain the last one or two older versions of games in a manner that can be publicly downloaded.

However, unlike GOG, Steam has a built in console you can use to access older manifest files. Learn to use it.
Chompman 12 月 4 日 下午 5:56 
There are usually multiple ways to play the game while using a older version for mod reasons.

1. Check if the game lets you play with different versions as many games have this option by right clicking the game in your steam library - properties - beta tab.

2. Check if the game lets you use a separate launcher to bypass updating it directly on steam such as they do in skyrim where you can use Skyrim Script Extender (SKSE) and use the settings for it so you never have to update the game version you want to use.

3. Look up steam depot and how to use it to use many types of game versions.

A quick look shows that game uses the beta tab for option 1 and you can try that if it works but remember that steams largest success was it handles game updates as before this was a thing updating games was often a huge hassle back in the day where many games you had to download the games updates on 3rd party sites and hoped nothing goes wrong.
l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 6:15 
引用自 Chompman
There are usually multiple ways to play the game while using a older version for mod reasons.

1. Check if the game lets you play with different versions as many games have this option by right clicking the game in your steam library - properties - beta tab.

2. Check if the game lets you use a separate launcher to bypass updating it directly on steam such as they do in skyrim where you can use Skyrim Script Extender (SKSE) and use the settings for it so you never have to update the game version you want to use.

3. Look up steam depot and how to use it to use many types of game versions.

A quick look shows that game uses the beta tab for option 1 and you can try that if it works but remember that steams largest success was it handles game updates as before this was a thing updating games was often a huge hassle back in the day where many games you had to download the games updates on 3rd party sites and hoped nothing goes wrong.
TW3 used to have the previous 2 versions on the beta tab, but when they released 7.0 they removed the last 2 betas
l0v3rm4n69420 (已封禁) 12 月 4 日 下午 6:16 
And as for Steam depot, im not a huge PC guy, and im worried about bricking warhammer, my save, or my steam
Chika Ogiue 12 月 4 日 下午 6:39 
引用自 l0v3rm4n69420
And as for Steam depot, im not a huge PC guy, and im worried about bricking warhammer, my save, or my steam

If you're worried about bricking a game, why are you modding it in the first place?

Downloading older depots isn't going to brick your Steam or your PC. It might cause problems with save games if the game is set to modify save files such that they don't work with older builds. Most games will warn you of this when you first load a save from an older build.

As for bricking your game or save -- copy both. Move to a safe location. You can copy back if anything goes wrong.
Mad Scientist 12 月 4 日 下午 9:13 
引用自 l0v3rm4n69420
And as for Steam depot, im not a huge PC guy, and im worried about bricking warhammer, my save, or my steam
If you're worried about that, then why play with mods?
Nx Machina 12 月 4 日 下午 9:39 
引用自 l0v3rm4n69420
So first, for some context. I am a big fan of Total War Warhammer War 3 War Edition. I recently found a very fun mod list, However, they dropped the 7.0 patch, and since steam forces you to update, I now can no longer play with my modlist. So it will be a few weeks at minimum before I get to play my save games again.

Can we please get 1 of 2 things.

1. Remove the mandatory updates. Other platforms have this, I know steam doesn't either.

2. Add a policy that forces developers to leave up old versions (with exeptions for multiplayer games)so you have the option to rollback the game if you dont like the new update

1) They can update their game because they own it. You licence it.

CA literally warns you about mods every single time for a new patch.

MOD WARNING

Please note that user-generated mods may have compatibility issues with new game updates. If you are encountering performance or stability issues following a release, is recommended that you disable any mods you're running. If you continue to experience issues, please visit our support site for additional troubleshooting steps and assistance.


2) Developers have choice to use versioning but it remains their choice not Valve's.

https://psteamcommunity.yuanyoumao.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4547039255696769967

New: Steam APIs For Switching Game Versions & Beta Branches making it easier to manage game updates, and move audience in or out of beta branches

Recently released Steamworks APIs help solve some common challenges to switching game versions on Steam. With these new tools, developers can now offer players a choice in-game to join a beta branch for testing or to switch back to an older version of the game.

For released games that make frequent updates, these tools can give players more clear choices in how they want to engage with the game. Some players want to be part of your beta branch where you are testing out the latest updates, while others may want to play on an older stable build that they know works well with their save file.

New version support:

Many games on Steam already have multiple build branches available to players; different builds of the game, either historical versions or forward-facing test builds with the latest pending updates. Previously, accessing these alternative build branches has been fairly obscure, done by players through the Steam 'settings' panel for a game. However, new Steamworks APIs now allow developers to offer players this choice from within the game itself.


Paradox used versioning before the changes Valve announced. I have an old build of Hearts of Iron IV running compatible mods from Steam Workshop. I also have access to any of the builds for Dead Cells because Motion Twin just like Paradox used versioning before the announcement by Valve.
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