Nifty 11 月 25 日 上午 9:14
Are Gaming Is Dying Discussions Real?
So let's the obvious out of the way.

Your favorite AAA publisher, has been flamed and is generally unliked now.

Bethesda, EA, Activision, Ubisoft they are generally known not to make games people like anymore.

This isn't a hot take, so let's talk about the thing that's actually killing gaming.

Genre death.

RTS doesn't exist, adventure games don't exist, immersive Sims no longer exist, puzzle games.

So that has traditionally been a fairly sizable portion of the consumer market that evaporated.

Now let's talk about what's left, we have open world games, shooters, indy rogue lites, souls likes dominating rpgs, and always online service models.

Then a few niche mine craft clones, survival horror games, and if you're super lucky an isometric.

That is a massively diminished development landscape.

It basically means that assuming there used to exist something like 20 boxes you could place your game that is down to 10 genres realistically speaking.

Which means every game that comes out from now to 2030 will fit neatly into the genres you can count on two hands.

Yes, gaming is dying but it isn't the bad investment strategies, the long dev times, the AAA publishers, or your favorite studio getting closed down.

It is the idea that creativity had to be consolidated to be successful.

Now that consolidation is killing the industry.
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rawWwRrr 11 月 25 日 上午 9:23 
I have no idea how to interpret the title, but....
引用自 Nifty
Bethesda, EA, Activision, Ubisoft they are generally known not to make games people like anymore.
Given how many people buy their games, I would assume this statement of yours to be inaccurate. There are a considerable amount of people that do not like their games, but that group appears to be outnumbered by those that keep buying/playing their games.
Nifty 11 月 25 日 上午 9:25 
And there are people who generally consume every single super hero property that comes out.

Critical feedback is by definition niche and easy to ignore.

But its also an indicator of general consumer feedback eventually.

A critical individual might say Assasins Creed hasn't been relavent since the Xbox 360.

A non critical consumer will say oooooh assasins are ninjas now!?

Again, even in the case of super hero fatigue the markets do eventually turn and the sales numbers reflect this.
x 11 月 25 日 上午 9:32 
It is... and it isn't. I try to look on the bright side.
These things go in cycles. Some giants fall, smaller devs pop up and take up the "space" left. I remember many, many years ago, we didn't have any big studios. Pretty much every game was an indie game. And we still have lots and lots of indie games.
And while I don't fully grasp many of the most popular games these days, I have to admit I'm not a young guy anymore and most games are not made with me in mind. So it's understandable that games made for teens are not exactly my cup of tea. Besides, the gaming industry keeps growing.

Yes, there are problems, namely with big money machines taking over the landscape. But honestly, shouldn't gamers also take part of the blame? I always loved football games. Both simulation and managerial. But these days, it just makes no sense to me to buy a game like EAFC. It's got currently a 43% and given the past history, why do people still buy this? Why are people still buying these games? Shouldn't we (all of us) be more demanding and not buy a game this poor? And that is just an example, but I cannot bring myself to buy a game with such low ratings. As much as I miss playing some football, each year it's gotten increasingly frustrating to play.
I understand that part of the problem has been the monetization of it all. Making micro transactions and other means to grab out money. Yes, we can just not go there but many do. Because they want to and the industry keeps making more money. Ultimately, they make more money and that is their job. We might not agree, but they are making more money anyway. And it's not just games. It's TV, it's movies, it's music. Slipknow just sold part of their IP to some money fund. Yeah, the same band that went "All the money in the world can't buy me"...
But I'm not that defeatist. There are many nice indie games. Many great backwater movies, many amazing small bands. We have the power to chose like never before.
Thiesen 11 月 25 日 上午 9:34 
Has children/youngsters stopped playing since the very first life emerged on Earth?

No.

We all play in some way, shape or form... some build models... some continue to smear paint on canvases.... some even build giant water towers that can fly...

The only seriousness we do are paying taxes...
xBCxRangers 11 月 25 日 上午 9:35 
Well i think big Triple As are dying. And we can look at not other of the fact they're all being bought out (many, not all).

But gaming as a whole in my view at this point could not be any better.

Exclusivity is gone, and we can all get our hands on games we could not before.

Smaller developers are coming out with a "Back to the Future" type model, that brings us the games we may have remembered of being great games butchered by the triple a's over the years, and coming out with brand new games based on those models.

And they're succeeding.

Inclusiveness in terms we can get access to Steam thru other avenues. Ge Force Now, Steam Deck and now Steam Box.

Xbox going apparently to the same model.

Early Access has games developers want to try, may be hit or miss, but can come out with games satisfying near every genre, time period, etc.

Gaming today is better than ever, when you get away from the Triple A's and today the higher prices.
x 11 月 25 日 上午 9:36 
引用自 Nifty
It is the idea that creativity had to be consolidated to be successful.

Now that consolidation is killing the industry.

Creativity consolidation was never the goal. It's always about the money and about the control of IP. Just look at Championship Manager. Some big money comes along, throws them a truck load of cash expecting the name alone to be enough. Not only did it fail spectacularly, but the same old team made a new game with another name that became the new standard. Although right now it's gone to *****
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 11 月 25 日 上午 9:37 
You named 4 devs/pubs that have had financial troubles and/or have been acquired by other entities.

Why not Epic Games? Fortnite sold out a large stake to Disney and is still trash.

:nkCool:
ReBoot 11 月 25 日 上午 9:37 
RTS' exist, immersive sims exist, adventures exist. Can we please have one discussion about the state of gaming which wasn't started with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie?
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 11 月 25 日 上午 9:38 
引用自 ReBoot
RTS' exist, immersive sims exist, adventures exist. Can we please have one discussion about the state of gaming which wasn't started with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie?

Nope. We must start with this, every time.

:nkLove:
x 11 月 25 日 上午 9:39 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce

Why not Epic Games? Fortnite sold out a large stake to Disney and is still trash.

:nkCool:

And yet it's still one of the most profitable games ever. It's not to my liking, but who am I to judge?
Nifty 11 月 25 日 上午 9:40 
So what I'm hearing and I would agree with these folks is X thing isn't the way it used to be anymore.

https://youtu.be/wHT8tEE0sVU?si=6Id4RC0BrgbAbFZv

So this is usually where it starts.

If you're a fan of say dedicated non bad western rpgs or immersive Sims you might say that my thing doesn't really exist anymore or exists in such a small quantity to no longer self perpetuate the hobby anymore.

Like if the NHL season was cut in half or into a 3rd.
x 11 月 25 日 上午 9:48 
引用自 Nifty
So what I'm hearing and I would agree with these folks is X thing isn't the way it used to be anymore.

https://youtu.be/wHT8tEE0sVU?si=6Id4RC0BrgbAbFZv

So this is usually where it starts.

If you're a fan of say dedicated non bad western rpgs or immersive Sims you might say that my thing doesn't really exist anymore or exists in such a small quantity to no longer self perpetuate the hobby anymore.

Like if the NHL season was cut in half or into a 3rd.

I'm not a kid anymore. I can't relate to most "modern" games like I related to the games I liked when I was younger. But it's always been like this with everything in life.
Gaming is mostly an industry for the younger people. It's the older folks (like me) that are becoming old tarts musing about "the good ol' days".
Nifty 11 月 25 日 上午 9:50 
So I use the sports comparison because that statement is categorically untrue.

If you for example like the game where people kick the ball into the net.

Some sort of football or soccer person.

I think they still kick the ball into the net in the same way.

Its actually somewhat of a unique phenomenon of pop culture, gaming, movies, and music that the nature of what we create changes in real time due to external factors.
xBCxRangers 11 月 25 日 上午 9:53 
引用自 x
引用自 Nifty
So what I'm hearing and I would agree with these folks is X thing isn't the way it used to be anymore.

https://youtu.be/wHT8tEE0sVU?si=6Id4RC0BrgbAbFZv

So this is usually where it starts.

If you're a fan of say dedicated non bad western rpgs or immersive Sims you might say that my thing doesn't really exist anymore or exists in such a small quantity to no longer self perpetuate the hobby anymore.

Like if the NHL season was cut in half or into a 3rd.

I'm not a kid anymore. I can't relate to most "modern" games like I related to the games I liked when I was younger. But it's always been like this with everything in life.
Gaming is mostly an industry for the younger people. It's the older folks (like me) that are becoming old tarts musing about "the good ol' days".

It is you're right. But the great part about it is there are games for us.

No, i can't play 6 v 6 COD anymore, or BF or those games i used to play. Or Souls like games.

But there are so many games we "can" and do play. But you're right, i see these "Boomer" COD Hate Tubers all the time that don't seem to realize they are now in the minority, and the games are to continue to be for the younger crowds.

For us, Arma 3, more SP based games. There's a TON of historical stuff here on Steam. Simulation games as well.

It's a great time for everyone with the exception of those fixated on the Big Triple A's that are taking a hit, being these generational shifts in tastes in games, as well as an apparent brain drain with scripts for the more SP based games.
最后由 xBCxRangers 编辑于; 11 月 25 日 上午 9:56
Corporations becoming greedier with each year, they trying to milk franchises that they made decades ago as much as possible.
Some of them trying to pander to new fanbases and releasing woke games, which have repeatedly resulted in spectacular failures.
Problem is : Instead of trying to make a new great game they trying to make a way to milk away money.
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