Its custom made CPU/GPU made for Valve, not the off the shelf you can buy

We're gonna try and convince the "PC Master Race" into buying a gaming console?

This is for WE consolers. Not PC.

You have a friend who will buying your console, Mr Newell

引用自 biesoid：

GPU is mobile Radeon 7600M = 28 CUs
and CPU with closest specs is Ryzen 5 7640U

no way this thing is capable of doing 4k at 60 fps in modern games

Doesn't seem to be intended to, except older games and less demanding indies. Everything else you'll be running at 1080 or 1440 native and upscaling to 4k with FSR.

引用自 biesoid：

Also this is RDNA3 GPU, so no FSR4, so upscaling means ugly artifacts

They're in talks with AMD to try and bring FSR4 to RDNA 3 systems. It's already possible to test this out yourself.[www.techpowerup.com] It uses a higher quantized version of the FSR4 files, and seems to provide a balance between FSR4 image quality, and FSR 3.1 performance. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see a future update that has it.

Meanwhile, FSR 3.1 is fine for most purposes.

引用自 biesoid：

GPU is mobile Radeon 7600M = 28 CUs
and CPU with closest specs is Ryzen 5 7640U

no way this thing is capable of doing 4k at 60 fps in modern games

Also this is RDNA3 GPU, so no FSR4, so upscaling means ugly artifacts

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

People are gonna pay premium for the Steam name unfortunately.

引用自 76561198122367077：

引用自 biesoid：

GPU is mobile Radeon 7600M = 28 CUs
and CPU with closest specs is Ryzen 5 7640U

no way this thing is capable of doing 4k at 60 fps in modern games

Also this is RDNA3 GPU, so no FSR4, so upscaling means ugly artifacts

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

if its a 600 USD machine it would be fine it will be a great entry level machine now if they ask for 1k it is DOA.

Who is the target audience for this anyway? Console players will stick to what they know. PC enthusiasts will out build the box at a better price.

引用自 FlyingShazbot：

Who is the target audience for this anyway? Console players will stick to what they know. PC enthusiasts will out build the box at a better price.

People who want a Steam Deck but more powerful its on the promotional material and if they price it well I would buy it.

引用自 76561198122367077：

引用自 biesoid：

GPU is mobile Radeon 7600M = 28 CUs
and CPU with closest specs is Ryzen 5 7640U

no way this thing is capable of doing 4k at 60 fps in modern games

Also this is RDNA3 GPU, so no FSR4, so upscaling means ugly artifacts

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

You're not going to run modern games maxxed out on this little box anyways so the fact that you will need to drop texture resolution to medium is irrelivant.

This isn't for PC gamers that have 4K gaming PC's with 2K gpu's but as a entree level gaming PC that also fits into the console like ecosphere.

If the price is anything higher then 500-600$ this gabecube is DOA, especially since we'll have other mini pc's like BEELINK to compare it with.

引用自 76561198122367077：

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

This is a consequence of NVIDIA and AMD providing only 8GB of VRAM.

This is a Pro-Gamer move towards optimization.

Increasing the VRAM of the Steam Machine would be anti-consumer, exacerbating the VRAM issues by not calling for optimization.

NVIDIA, AMD, and the Developers and Publishers need to be on the same page. This "Can it Run Crysis" mentality of requiring more VRAM than the mid-range GPUs is hostile to the consumer, especially given recessions and inflation.

8GB on the Steam Machine is a win for consumers, if this thing takes off enough to be adopted by the industry as a standard going forward into the era of a tech plateau.

引用自 SalvadorSIX7：

引用自 FlyingShazbot：

Who is the target audience for this anyway? Console players will stick to what they know. PC enthusiasts will out build the box at a better price.

People who want a Steam Deck but more powerful its on the promotional material and if they price it well I would buy it.

Surely that's a different market though? The Steam Deck was aimed at an audience that wanted their pc games in their hands to take wherever they go. The Steam Machine is going for couch gamers. With this product, it's going to be hard to enter that market when it's performance seems to be on the same level as the PS5 and Series X that released 5 years ago.

引用自 FlyingShazbot：

Who is the target audience for this anyway? Console players will stick to what they know. PC enthusiasts will out build the box at a better price.

A lot of (most) PC owners aren't "enthusiasts". Pretty clear from the hardware survey.

Of course, non-enthusiasts would just have their regular PC, likely wouldn't notice or care about a Steam box.

引用自 Hermit：

引用自 SalvadorSIX7：

People who want a Steam Deck but more powerful its on the promotional material and if they price it well I would buy it.

Surely that's a different market though? The Steam Deck was aimed at an audience that wanted their pc games in their hands to take wherever they go. The Steam Machine is going for couch gamers. With this product, it's going to be hard to enter that market when it's performance seems to be on the same level as the PS5 and Series X that released 5 years ago.

Like I said there are people who want a Steam Deck but stronger they dont care if its locked down so long as its convenient and easy to use and they never have to go out of BPM unless they need something.

引用自 SalvadorSIX7：

引用自 76561198122367077：

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

if its a 600 USD machine it would be fine it will be a great entry level machine now if they ask for 1k it is DOA.

Realistically it is going to be priced around Steam Deck OLED price and above so $400 to $800 give or take

The point is 8 GB VRAM is not enough for most modern 1080p games nowadays maybe for lower end indie game tier and older game title

引用自 Zef：

引用自 76561198122367077：

Don't forget 8 GB VRAM
Did valve forget how gamers are against Nvidia and AMD with puny 8 GB VRAM not being enough for modern gaming

You're not going to run modern games maxxed out on this little box anyways so the fact that you will need to drop texture resolution to medium is irrelivant.

This isn't for PC gamers that have 4K gaming PC's with 2K gpu's but as a entree level gaming PC that also fits into the console like ecosphere.

If the price is anything higher then 500-600$ this gabecube is DOA, especially since we'll have other mini pc's like BEELINK to compare it with.

This is the exact point
Past launch of steam deck was competitive price, value and performance wise compared to previous 2022 UMPC niche gaming market but with launch of Steam machine with poor specs is not wise when demands and requirements are lot higher

Steam deck made perfect business, technical and gaming sense which is not the case with Steam machine in current market

Steam Machine is competing or will compete against niche UMPC market to DIY PC market, consoles and normal PC market without the major benefit of them in pricing, performance or value

Clocking 7400M tier 30W GPU to 100W GPU ain't going to save it
Valve engineers should've secured the Ryzen AI 385 or older gen Ryzen 7945HS/HX tier Soc

引用自 76561198122367077：

引用自 SalvadorSIX7：

if its a 600 USD machine it would be fine it will be a great entry level machine now if they ask for 1k it is DOA.

Realistically it is going to be priced around Steam Deck OLED price and above so $400 to $800 give or take

The point is 8 GB VRAM is not enough for most modern 1080p games nowadays maybe for lower end indie game tier and older game title

引用自 Zef：

You're not going to run modern games maxxed out on this little box anyways so the fact that you will need to drop texture resolution to medium is irrelivant.

This isn't for PC gamers that have 4K gaming PC's with 2K gpu's but as a entree level gaming PC that also fits into the console like ecosphere.

If the price is anything higher then 500-600$ this gabecube is DOA, especially since we'll have other mini pc's like BEELINK to compare it with.

This is the exact point
Past launch of steam deck was competitive price, value and performance wise compared to previous 2022 UMPC niche gaming market but with launch of Steam machine with poor specs is not wise when demands and requirements are lot higher

Steam deck made perfect business, technical and gaming sense which is not the case with Steam machine in current market

Steam Machine is competing or will compete against niche UMPC market to DIY PC market, consoles and normal PC market without the major benefit of them in pricing, performance or value

Clocking 7400M tier 30W GPU to 100W GPU ain't going to save it
Valve engineers should've secured the Ryzen AI 385 or older gen Ryzen 7945HS/HX tier Soc

What modern games Triple A? I dont care about those games and anyone in the performance bracket wont either.