Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 3:19
Some of Valve's older multiplayer games should definitely be free
I'm not trying to be a miser or anything, I bought the Valve complete pack back in 2012 but it just seems redundant for these games to cost money when games like Counter Strike 2 and Team Fortress 2 are free to play.

Counter Strike & Source
Day of Defeat & Source
Deathmatch Classic
Richochet
Team Fortress Classic

Games like Half Life, Portal and Left 4 Dead I can understand since they have single player content but no one plays Deathmatch Classic at all and I think making it free would at least give it a week in the spotlight.

Maybe there is something I'm missing but that's just what I think.
最后由 Robofish 编辑于; 10 月 19 日 上午 9:54
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Kargor 10 月 18 日 上午 3:22 
What does Valve earn by making their old games free?
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 3:24 
引用自 Kargor
What does Valve earn by making their old games free?

Ask Valve why they made the Half life games free on their anniversary.

Even then the better question is, why would people buy multiplayer only games for no one to play them?
最后由 Robofish 编辑于; 10 月 18 日 上午 3:27
Ben Lubar 10 月 18 日 上午 6:18 
"Free to play" means a specific kind of monetization. How are they going to monetize Ricochet?
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 6:28 
引用自 Ben Lubar
"Free to play" means a specific kind of monetization. How are they going to monetize Ricochet?

Not necessarily but that'd be for Valve to decide. They can always update gold source to add micro-transactions but I don't think anyone is in a rush to play Richochet, much less buy it these days. It's why I say it's kind of redundant for them to sell a multiplayer only game when their other multiplayer only games like TF2 and CS2 are free to play.
McFlurry Butts 10 月 18 日 上午 6:38 
It will just get flooded with bots, so making it extremely cheap would be better

TF2 was absolutely destroyed
最后由 McFlurry Butts 编辑于; 10 月 18 日 上午 6:39
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 6:40 
引用自 McFlurry Butts
It will just get flooded with bots, so making it extremely cheap would be better

But nobody plays these games and they're already cheap.
Start_Running 10 月 18 日 上午 6:42 
If you wish it was free then they evidently have monetary value.
So Valve has no reason to give up that Monetary value..
They earn more money in a year from one person buying one of those games than a million people playing it for free.
Ben Lubar 10 月 18 日 上午 6:45 
引用自 Robofish
Not necessarily but that'd be for Valve to decide. They can always update gold source to add micro-transactions
Okay, but what would those microtransactions be for?

I have first hand experience that giving people the option to donate $1 because they like the game you're giving them for free doesn't result in many donations. I'm pretty sure the engineer time at Valve needed to set that up would be worth more than the amount of money it would ever return, especially because Valve aren't volunteers in the first place.

What could Ricochet, a game with near-zero customizability, possibly sell?

Making a game free to play also changes player expectations. TF2, Dota 2, and CS2 all get frequent content updates (even though TF2 doesn't name theirs anymore). Just look at how many people are disappointed that Dota Underlords isn't being updated anymore.
nullable 10 月 18 日 上午 6:54 
引用自 Robofish
引用自 Ben Lubar
"Free to play" means a specific kind of monetization. How are they going to monetize Ricochet?

Not necessarily but that'd be for Valve to decide.

They already have. Get out your wallet.

引用自 Robofish
They can always update gold source to add micro-transactions but I don't think anyone is in a rush to play Richochet, much less buy it these days. It's why I say it's kind of redundant for them to sell a multiplayer only game when their other multiplayer only games like TF2 and CS2 are free to play.

So no one is going to rush to play those games, then what's the point of doing a lot of work of adding microtransactions that aren't going to make money?

Other games existing, or new versions of games using different business models isn't some argument that older games have to do it too.

This is literally a non-issue and your internal need for some kind of imagined consistency is wholly your own invention.
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 6:58 
引用自 Start_Running
They earn more money in a year from one person buying one of those games than a million people playing it for free.

And if no one buys it within the year, it's worth as much as it being free to play.

引用自 Ben Lubar
Okay, but what would those microtransactions be for?

Again, that's not up for me to decide because that'd just be hyperbole.


引用自 Ben Lubar
What could Ricochet, a game with near-zero customizability, possibly sell?

What does Richochet sell... in general? I think you're getting the wrong idea. I'm not saying, change the game to appeal to people. I'm just saying, the game doesn't sell and will never sell and won't work if no one plays it so whats the point of selling it? Just make it free.
最后由 Robofish 编辑于; 10 月 18 日 上午 7:00
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 7:04 
引用自 nullable
引用自 Robofish

Not necessarily but that'd be for Valve to decide.

They already have. Get out your wallet.

引用自 Robofish
They can always update gold source to add micro-transactions but I don't think anyone is in a rush to play Richochet, much less buy it these days. It's why I say it's kind of redundant for them to sell a multiplayer only game when their other multiplayer only games like TF2 and CS2 are free to play.

So no one is going to rush to play those games, then what's the point of doing a lot of work of adding microtransactions that aren't going to make money?

Other games existing, or new versions of games using different business models isn't some argument that older games have to do it too.

This is literally a non-issue and your internal need for some kind of imagined consistency is wholly your own invention.

Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it champ?
引用自 Robofish
引用自 Kargor
What does Valve earn by making their old games free?

Ask Valve why they made the Half life games free on their anniversary.

Even then the better question is, why would people buy multiplayer only games for no one to play them?
If Valve ask you the same thing, what are they getting out of this?

Also making it F2P not going make it better how you're expecting it to be, proof look at thousands of other F2P games, and history to prove my point.

Lastly these games go dirt cheap on sale often, look up steamdb.info it shows you history of sale.
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 7:16 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
引用自 Robofish

Ask Valve why they made the Half life games free on their anniversary.

Even then the better question is, why would people buy multiplayer only games for no one to play them?
If Valve ask you the same thing, what are they getting out of this?

Also making it F2P not going make it better how you're expecting it to be, proof look at thousands of other F2P games, and history to prove my point.

Lastly these games go dirt cheap on sale often, look up steamdb.info it shows you history of sale.

They get nothing out of it regardless if they sell it or make it free because no one plays them or are willing to buy them anymore. It doesn't matter how cheap they are, it's not showing sales data based on how much they're selling as of now.
最后由 Robofish 编辑于; 10 月 18 日 上午 7:22
引用自 Robofish
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
If Valve ask you the same thing, what are they getting out of this?

Also making it F2P not going make it better how you're expecting it to be, proof look at thousands of other F2P games, and history to prove my point.

Lastly these games go dirt cheap on sale often, look up steamdb.info it shows you history of sale.

They get nothing out of it regardless if they sell it or make it free because no one plays them or are willing to buy them anymore. It doesn't matter how cheap they are, it's not showing sales data based on how much they selling as of now.
Then no reason for to make it free.

If money a problem, then none of the multiplier games that cost snything should have players right?
Robofish 10 月 18 日 上午 7:33 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
引用自 Robofish

They get nothing out of it regardless if they sell it or make it free because no one plays them or are willing to buy them anymore. It doesn't matter how cheap they are, it's not showing sales data based on how much they selling as of now.
Then no reason for to make it free.

If money a problem, then none of the multiplier games that cost snything should have players right?

There's no reason to sell them. The most making them free to play would be that some players would check the games out, not many but maybe a few hundred. It worked out for Half Life 1 and 2 when Valve made them free. They didn't have to make them free but they did. Who knows, maybe making the games free to play could spark some interest in a Richochet 2 or a Day of Defeat 2.
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