引用自 imagine：

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Blame your country.

引用自 Scamdiver：

They just want your credit card

They're legally forced to have the requirement.

引用自 Animus：

引用自 Scamdiver：

They just want your credit card

They're legally forced to have the requirement.

Not specifically that they should use CC information, the law states that the method used must be accurate and robust.
I would say, an account that is older than the required age is as robust and accurate as it gets.

It is possible for someone to use someone else's account. Like a younger sibling using the computer and being on their older sibling's account. And other scenarios.

引用自 imagine：

No, as you can see in pictures attached, I expected Valve to do the basic math.

They're not going to. As there is no correlation to account age and current owner. For all they know, you hijacked the account or purchased it from someone else. Valid credit card number, like a selfie, proves more that YOU are of the right age, not the account you are using.

引用自 imagine：

引用自 Animus：

They're legally forced to have the requirement.

Not specifically that they should use CC information, the law states that the method used must be accurate and robust.
I would say, an account that is older than the required age is as robust and accurate as it gets.

Sadly account age doesn't say anything to the account holder, since secondary markets that sell older accounts exist. That and people sharing accounts, giving away accounts, inheriting them, etc.

They need a method to verify at least "someone" behind the account is of minimum age. Not the account itself.

Again, thank the law.

引用自 rawWwRrr：

引用自 imagine：

No, as you can see in pictures attached, I expected Valve to do the basic math.

Petition your government to add an exclusion to the law exempting accounts of a certain age. Otherwise, it's an irrelevant data point to how the law is written.

Law does not require specific method, it requires for it to be robust and accurate.

引用自 Nev Nev：

It is possible for someone to use someone else's account. Like a younger sibling using the computer and being on their older sibling's account. And other scenarios.

It is also possible to use parents CC, especially as it does not require purchase.

引用自 Chika Ogiue：

引用自 imagine：

No, as you can see in pictures attached, I expected Valve to do the basic math.

They're not going to. As there is no correlation to account age and current owner. For all they know, you hijacked the account or purchased it from someone else. Valid credit card number, like a selfie, proves more that YOU are of the right age, not the account you are using.

Same goes for selfie those are easily spoofed (instructions can be found online with 1 google search) or CCs "borrowed" from parents.


Lets be honest there is no practical 100% correct method, apart from showing up in-person. So account age is as good as any other method.

引用自 imagine：

Lets be honest there is no practical 100% correct method, apart from showing up in-person. So account age is as good as any other method.

And Valve have decided that they want to use credit cards as the method they consider to be good. As a credit card is more easily tied to a specific individual. If you're using someone else's card, you're committing payment fraud. If you don't like it, again, complain to your MP.

引用自 imagine：

Law does not require specific method, it requires for it to be robust and accurate.

If you consider no method to be robust, then inform Valve. Their lawyers can then determine that they will have to simple cease allowing you any access to that content whatsoever until a robust method can be found. Seriously, be grateful all they want is a credit card. Or are you telling us you don't have and cannot get a credit card?

引用自 Chika Ogiue：

引用自 imagine：

Lets be honest there is no practical 100% correct method, apart from showing up in-person. So account age is as good as any other method.

And Valve have decided that they want to use credit cards as the method they consider to be good. As a credit card is more easily tied to a specific individual. If you're using someone else's card, you're committing payment fraud. If you don't like it, again, complain to your MP.

Oh, wow, I didn't notice that...

Purpose of the discussion was to draw attention, that there is a possibility to add an additional easier solution for a group of steam users, other than adding credit card.

wait, they want you to "register" a card? or we talking saving it as a payment method?

in any case, having your CC info saved on a site, or anywhere, be it steam or not, isnt a smart idea, hopefully its just the "verification" part, without saving payment details.

but also, thinking about this, are people from the UK now screwed over, from using refillable, or gift cards for buying stuff? assuming they have to keep an actual CC "registered".

have a nice day peeps

引用自 Chika Ogiue：

If you consider no method to be robust, then inform Valve. Their lawyers can then determine that they will have to simple cease allowing you any access to that content whatsoever until a robust method can be found. Seriously, be grateful all they want is a credit card. Or are you telling us you don't have and cannot get a credit card?

You sound like an avid "Online Safety Act" supporter.

Also, in fact they don't require specifically credit card, but ANY card (incl. debit cards like VISA Debit) that can be acquired by any person, including minors. So not sure why wouldn't account age be sufficient.

引用自 imagine：

引用自 Chika Ogiue：

If you consider no method to be robust, then inform Valve. Their lawyers can then determine that they will have to simple cease allowing you any access to that content whatsoever until a robust method can be found. Seriously, be grateful all they want is a credit card. Or are you telling us you don't have and cannot get a credit card?

You sound like an avid "Online Safety Act" supporter.

Also, in fact they don't require specifically credit card, but ANY card (incl. debit cards like VISA Debit) that can be acquired by any person, including minors. So not sure why wouldn't account age be sufficient.

CC's and debit cards have identification tied to them, you cant get either without an ID.

in any case, they shouldnt be asking for any form of personal identification, especially when all these companies are "hacked" repeatedly and our data/info is leaked to everyone.

nor should they be asking "minors" to identify themselves, collecting children/teens (under 18) data, unless you have consent from the parents beforehand.

have a nice day

引用自 MonkehMaster：

wait, they want you to "register" a card? or we talking saving it as a payment method?

in any case, having your CC info saved on a site, or anywhere, be it steam or not, isnt a smart idea, hopefully its just the "verification" part, without saving payment details.

but also, thinking about this, are people from the UK now screwed over, from using refillable, or gift cards for buying stuff? assuming they have to keep an actual CC "registered".

have a nice day peeps :gk_smile:

Saving payment method e.g. adding as payment method to your Steam Wallet. Hence my post. I have always used PayPal, because I prefer my payment details only to be stored in one place, not scattered across hundreds of sites.

引用自 imagine：

引用自 MonkehMaster：

wait, they want you to "register" a card? or we talking saving it as a payment method?

in any case, having your CC info saved on a site, or anywhere, be it steam or not, isnt a smart idea, hopefully its just the "verification" part, without saving payment details.

but also, thinking about this, are people from the UK now screwed over, from using refillable, or gift cards for buying stuff? assuming they have to keep an actual CC "registered".

nor should they be asking "minors" to identify themselves, collecting children/teens (under 18) data, unless you have consent from the parents beforehand.

have a nice day peeps

Saving payment method e.g. adding as payment method to your Steam Wallet. Hence my post. I have always used PayPal, because I prefer my payment details only to be stored in one place, not scattered across hundreds of sites.

so they want payment methods saved in their data servers?

thats a big red flag, no one should be saving any CC or debit card details anywhere.

one "hack" and leak, then poof, everyones money is being spent from their cards.

have a nice day

引用自 MonkehMaster：

引用自 imagine：

Saving payment method e.g. adding as payment method to your Steam Wallet. Hence my post. I have always used PayPal, because I prefer my payment details only to be stored in one place, not scattered across hundreds of sites.

so they want payment methods saved in their data servers?

thats a big red flag, no one should be saving any CC or debit card details anywhere.

one "hack" and leak, then poof, everyones money is being spent from their cards.

have a nice day :gk_smile:

Thankfully it is not that easy, as the payment methods are encrypted when stored and it would take hundreds of years to decrypt them (unless China gets their quantum computing going before any western civilisation does), but still not ideal.