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shamamoes 2020 年 6 月 10 日 下午 5:01
Please make the nerf patch optional
90% of your buyers like the game the way it is
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Beato_dim 2020 年 6 月 10 日 下午 11:18 
Did you do a survey?
Robin 2020 年 6 月 13 日 下午 5:22 
you can always just not download the patch (I think there are some steam settings preventing auto updateds afaik). In that regards it's entriely optional already. Though I guess you can't play online with other players that do have the patch then
that guy who was unnamed 2020 年 6 月 15 日 下午 7:53 
I would agree with making things optional, and I argued as much before the patch was announced in regards to many of the changes that they are making. That said, saying that 90% of buyers like the game as it is is simply conjecture. The only numbers we as players have is from Steamcharts, which shows closer to an 80% drop in players from May 1 to present.

I would also posit that the fact that they are making all these changes speaks to a larger number of players not liking the game as it is. That is also conjecture, even though a logical conclusion from the patch's very existence. Just the same, I still agree that the changes should be made optional. Just isn't fair to me, even though I don't like the game as is, to swap out a game that some are enjoying as it is even if they are the minority.

Also, I think the patch looks a bit like a middle ground between the two camps, which will most likely make neither side happy. Even more reason for them to just make options such as toggling super armor. That, of course, remains to be seen.
最后由 that guy who was unnamed 编辑于; 2020 年 6 月 15 日 下午 7:54
shano 2020 年 6 月 25 日 下午 5:07 
I would like to know what nerfs has happened since launch before I commit to buying? The patch notes are vague as hell and lack detailed notes.
Jacowboy 2020 年 6 月 27 日 下午 7:43 
引用自 shano
I would like to know what nerfs has happened since launch before I commit to buying? The patch notes are vague as hell and lack detailed notes.

I don't think there's been any nerfs so far...

Also, they're gonna "balance" the game, not "nerf" it... it's just the "gitgud" crowd who are complaining about the game possibly being easier with the upcoming patch (which is pure speculation)... because they don't understand the word "balance", it seems...
fuggles2k 2020 年 6 月 28 日 上午 7:38 
Where or when is this patch? I can't find out where you guys have heard about it. Sounds great to me, might get me playing again.
< blank >  [开发者] 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 1:39 
It hasn't been released yet. AFAIK, we haven't announced anything yet. People probably heard about it in the discord.
And Jacowboy is right, it's about balancing, not nerfing. Don't worry ;)
0restes 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 8:00 
引用自 < blank >
It hasn't been released yet. AFAIK, we haven't announced anything yet. People probably heard about it in the discord.
And Jacowboy is right, it's about balancing, not nerfing. Don't worry ;)

You seem to have a communication problem within your team or they are leaving you in the dark. There have been several streamers showcasing the potential changes and most of them can only be defined as "nerfs".

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetsofRage/comments/gxb9pj/shinkensou_demoing_test_version_with_axel_buffs/

There's a list if your team doesn't want to provide you with one. That or you are blatantly lying and I don't know what's worse.
shamamoes 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 8:45 
引用自 < blank >
It hasn't been released yet. AFAIK, we haven't announced anything yet. People probably heard about it in the discord.
And Jacowboy is right, it's about balancing, not nerfing. Don't worry ;)
Dude don't do this please. Its pretty clear at this point that the developers have the enemy nerfs planned. They're removing Big Ben's armor, removing Dylan's headbutt armor, reducing Garnets drop kicks, reducing Galsia's knife hitbox, reducing Barney's speed, reducing Comissioner's attack in stage 7, its all there on Discord and the demo build.

Please don't pass it as just "balance" when there are tons of enemy nerfs in those demo builds. Just give us an option to be out of those nerfs. Most of the people don't need it.
最后由 shamamoes 编辑于; 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 8:48
shano 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 8:54 
Yeah an option would be nice to make both sides happy.
that guy who was unnamed 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 10:40 
I agree that they should make an option menu ala SoRR. That said, saying most people don't need the 'nerfs' is a strawman. Not everyone who wants the changes is bad at the game; they just don't happen to like the gameplay. That is why I support options to accommodate both types of players.

The fact of the matter is, though, that the game has averaged 375 players on PC in the last 30 days; at its peak, the game had over 6000 players. If those kind of numbers are mirrored on consoles, it is reasonable to say that most people do want changes. The developers clearly think some of the gameplay elements are disliked by the majority of people who bought the game or they wouldn't spend their time making such a patch.

I think enabling the workshop would make a huge difference as well. Would allow the game to be tailored to all tastes instead of one extreme or another (or, of course, dead-center, which would probably be just as unpopular).
最后由 that guy who was unnamed 编辑于; 2020 年 7 月 3 日 下午 10:42
0restes 2020 年 7 月 4 日 上午 2:44 
The peak/average players argument again. Half-Life: Alyx went from a 16K peak to 912 average this month. At Metacritic it has 93 critic and 9.1 user scores. It has a 98% approval in the Steam store.

But "... it is reasonable to say that most people do want changes." based on absolutely nothing but your own bias.

In fact a way more reasonable argument is that fans love SoR4 as much as Alyx ones love their game.
最后由 0restes 编辑于; 2020 年 7 月 4 日 上午 2:50
that guy who was unnamed 2020 年 7 月 4 日 下午 8:50 
引用自 0restes
The peak/average players argument again. Half-Life: Alyx went from a 16K peak to 912 average this month. At Metacritic it has 93 critic and 9.1 user scores. It has a 98% approval in the Steam store.

But "... it is reasonable to say that most people do want changes." based on absolutely nothing but your own bias.

In fact a way more reasonable argument is that fans love SoR4 as much as Alyx ones love their game.


The Half-Life: Alyx argument is a strawman. Different game, different company, different post-launch support. There is no guarantee that Half-Life: Alyx will get a sequel or DLC or further support with a falloff in players like that anyway (nor does that mean it won't). Either way, one game, and all the minutiae enmeshed with it, is not equivalent to another. Also, to be fastidious, SoR4 has a 90% rating on Steam.

In any case, the fact that Dotemu is working on a patch that makes large amounts of changes speaks to the fact that review scores, and the 'fan's love', are not the only thing they base their decisions on. You can say it is based on my own bias, but the fact that a patch exists, and is actively being worked on, makes it a reasonable argument/conclusion. The devs clearly think enough players want the changes that they are making them. Companies usually don't spend time and money on things for no reason. Why make the changes at all if so many players like it as is? Customer engagement and player retention are relevant and important numbers to companies; look no further than quarterly reports.

Call it a bias all you want. But, it is a logical conclusion to their actions. Nothing more.

I can't make it clear enough though to say that I wish the changes were made via options. There are people who love the game as it is and will not after the upcoming changes. Even if I don't number amongst them, I don't want to see those individuals who love the game as is put off in the same way that those individuals who, like me, are put off by the current gameplay. I waited 20 years for this sequel and it just doesn't feel like the old games to me, but the players who enjoy it now deserve to continue enjoying it.
最后由 that guy who was unnamed 编辑于; 2020 年 7 月 5 日 上午 1:01
Crusta Pipocondria 2020 年 7 月 5 日 上午 8:50 
引用自 < blank >
It hasn't been released yet. AFAIK, we haven't announced anything yet. People probably heard about it in the discord.
And Jacowboy is right, it's about balancing, not nerfing. Don't worry ;)
i swear i'm gonna lose my mind if you guys don't fix Floyd's infinites in this patch. I mean its one thing to try and balance the game. Its a completely different thing to nerf a bunch of enemies and still leave Floyd the way he is right now (completely broken)
Belva Company 2020 年 7 月 14 日 下午 8:56 
I want my slow walking Old Man Axel.
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