I don't love that a "victory" condition is basically subservience. It makes that victory chain unappealing, especially when it is very much not in the nature of some of these factions.

I mean I understand your points but the factions are but ants compared to the might of a Lost. There is a reason they are considered like gods

引用自 bork9128：

I mean I understand your points but the factions are but ants compared to the might of a Lost. There is a reason they are considered like gods

Nobody have seen these Lost for a long while, they are not even in the legends for most of the races in the galaxy. The Endless where the gods who disappeared, still, the scientifically minded would say that the Endless were a very developed race not out of reach for the most daring among them. And now a lady appears on the beach and tells you that there is an ancient god under the ground, and you have to drop everything and start worshiping it with everything you got? Nah

I mean most people barely understand the endless, not to mention if you view the endless as gods imagine something the gods felt was too dangerous/powerful enough and needed to be locked up was under your feet and its breaking out. Yes some people would totally be willing to worship that

I think what they should’ve done was have variable outcomes depending upon the faction.

Like it makes a lot of sense that Necrophage would probably destroy the planet and leave it a ruined husk if they followed their nature and killed the god, but actually prosper when they don’t and sort of coexist with it. Meanwhile you figure the Tahuks or Aspects could probably build something new and maybe even better after the god was killed/left.

Idk it was kinda lame that every faction is supposed to worship the god for the optimal outcome.

To elaborate on my thought. Let's consider Hollow Knight. There are a bunch of endings, and some of them are quite bad. But! You get a bad ending, if you decided to rush the end and not complete other areas and tasks. If you did well and went above and beyond you get rewarded with a good ending -- that makes sense to me.

Here, on the other hand, the difference between the good and the bad ending is not in how much effort I put into it, but in what I believe to be the right way. So, the good ending does not reward my effort, it rewards my views and beliefs? And the bad one penalises my beliefs? ♥♥♥♥ off, game, you are not in the position to preach

Yeah, it's not great, Last Lords seemed to at least have an 'against the greatest of odds, the planet is ours' kind of vibe, but Sheredyn just get their butts kicked and that's it? It feels rushed altogether, like there's an endgame missing from the victory, an actual global crisis pitting all the various sides against each other or something. Maybe there's a 'prefered' victory for each of the factions and they need different ones for a happy ending? I'm not sure, I haven't completed enough playthroughs for that, but if there isn't, then I agree with Threetails that there should be at least that.

But as a heads up, the lady that randomly shows up is a Nakalim, in-lore they were scions of the Lost and are their fanatic followers, she and her kind basically owe everything to them and it makes sense that her approach is to advise you to bend over backwards to them.

Honestly, the entire quest ending is not great regardless of choice, because ultimately you have no actual input to the result and it makes any and all choices about the factions irrelevant outside of going for rewards, they are all varying degrees of "Worship" regardless.

Despite the Necrophage being told by the Craver that they were creations of the Endless and they are still slaves to their hunger as a built in tool for emergency containment, with much of the dialogue being about how they can be so much more, yet they still will bow down and worship or try and impress as their only option regardless of your choices through the faction quests, which is all about changing away from their base instincts?
OK cool.
They can't try rebel?
they can't give in to their hunger and scour the world to secure containment?
Nope just worship.

All choices, instantly irrelevant.

I believe this game would improve if all quests, all of them, were removed.

I imagine the current ending is not going to stick as more factions, mechanics, and lore gets added. Perhaps we get a different ending, more akin to Academy questline where you can choose a side.

引用自 VoiD：

I believe this game would improve if all quests, all of them, were removed.

Endless as a series is built on the backs of their questlines and lore. removing them would suck the soul out of the game for me and defeat the purpose of playing this over stuff like Age of Wonders.

not "victory " at all
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So I just did a supremacy victory and they seem completely ok with the work getting destroyed. NGL I barely pay much attention to these things but this thread made me actually pay attention and while the aspects supremacy certainly was doom and gloom the lords seem to be a-ok with ruling a destroyed world.

引用自 bork9128：

So I just did a supremacy victory and they seem completely ok with the work getting destroyed. NGL I barely pay much attention to these things but this thread made me actually pay attention and while the aspects supremacy certainly was doom and gloom the lords seem to be a-ok with ruling a destroyed world.

Which is actually stupid in hindsight, because they need to feed off living vassals to survive.

Well, they chose Saiadha not because it was supposed to be teeming with life, but because it was supposed to be a Dust-rich desert planet, so I imagine they would not shed many tears over it becomnig a Dust-rich husk of a planet, either. And it's not like everyone died off, the Lost just packed its things and left, causing a bit of a cataclysm. They were keeping their fast food in the pens beforehand, I'm sure they'll manage afterwards as well.